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October 30, 2014 10:42 am

Wow that is a lot, not.

Go do some math.

wf
wf
October 30, 2014 10:48 am

An Army partly on active service is getting through less than a 1000 per person per year. We need to be buying more :-(

Craig
Craig
October 30, 2014 1:15 pm

Procurement does not necessarily equal consumption in the period – we may have stockpiled ammunition when it was cheaper or are carrying out minimum purchases during a period of high prices. Of course, like many stock items consumption isn’t the be-all, end-all that drives stock levels and order quantities alone; changes in minimum stock requirements can drive orders as well e.g. expectations of fewer personnel and in fewer locations (less need to have mini-stockpiles in lots of FOBs for example).

To add some perspective, consumption on Herrick 4 through to 9 was running at around 1-1.5m of each type in each 6 month roulement (presumably tri-service figures, not just Army as above). Factor in pre-deployment training and routine use, consumption is probably a couple of million rounds a year.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2009-09-01c.268210.h&s=ammunition+5.56#g268210.r0

wf
wf
October 30, 2014 2:06 pm

@Craig: way off. First of all, even if you don’t fire the stuff, after being issued with the stuff (say 300 per person) after 6 months out of stores you have to dispose of it. 10K users per roulement = 3 million rounds “expended” straight away, plus say 1.5 million actually fired in anger.

Then there’s pre deployment training, during which I would expect at least 600 / person expended, so that’s 10 million per roulement brigade, twice a year. Then the rest of the Army, Regular and TA, all 110K ish of them, has live fire and APWT’s to do, plus workups, and other “issued then removed for disposal after period x”. Finally, having a robust WMR is just a matter of common sense. Personally, I suspect the 113 million is keeping up with consumption only….

Observer
Observer
October 30, 2014 2:55 pm

wf, think Craig meant that even if you buy it, you not necessarily need to issue it, some of it might be directed to stockpiles, or that maybe last year or so, they may have bought a huge amount and are simply replenishing what they used. Simply having numbers isn’t really enough to tell us where the rounds are going or why.

Phil
October 30, 2014 8:06 pm

The sky is still falling I see.

Observer
Observer
October 30, 2014 10:42 pm

Nice to see you back Phil. :) And yes, it’s called rain.