Canadian Armour in Afghanistan

Some interesting footage of the Leopard main battle tank and Kodiak armoured engineer vehicle in Afghanistan.

The UK has deployed the Trojan combat engineering heavy armoured vehicle but not Challenger 2 citing terrain restrictions in the Green Zone as the main reason for not deploying them There was some talk of a request being turned down on cost grounds a few months ago.

If the UK area of operations does shift to replace the departing Canadians one wonders if the UK might emulate the success of he Canadians and others with the deployment of small numbers of main battle tanks.

They certainly have an intimidatory effect but perhaps our new ‘courageous restraint’ approach might not be compatible with 70 tonnes of mobile firepower.

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DominicJ
May 15, 2010 10:44 am

Although they (the engineering vehicles) do look quite nifty, are they any better than commerical kit?

For the cost of a single Challenger based engineering vehicle, how many D9 type bulldozers could we have?

The same goes for Leopard/Challenger, ok, I’m sure they’d be useful, but could a warrior do the same for less?
I just dont see what targets we face that require 120mm direct fire rounds to engage.

Would it be cheaper to returret a few dozen warriors with multiple 40mm grenade launchers (or a 120mm mortar to keep Jed happy)?
I’d be happy to argue they’d be much more effective.

Richard Stockley
Richard Stockley
May 15, 2010 11:48 am

Good point Dominic, how about arming the D9R with something a bit more potent than a GPMG? Jed could even have his 40mm GL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9-idf_pic714.jpg

DominicJ
May 15, 2010 11:59 am

**looks suspicious**
Yes, arm the D9, that was exactly my point, I’m glad you picked up on it.

Yeah we could arm them too

Richard Stockley
Richard Stockley
May 15, 2010 4:29 pm

Is it that time of the month Dom? :-)

DominicJ
May 16, 2010 10:55 am

lol no, I’d just not thought of actualy arming the bulldozers too.

I was just wondering aloud how many militarised commerical diggers we could deploy for each military digger.
Cant imagine sticking a GPMG on them as well would lower their performance.

Jed
Jed
May 16, 2010 3:11 pm

Ref “I dont see what targets we face that require 120mm direct fire rounds to engage”

Well, they would be the same ones we currently use very expensive, Imaging Infra-Red guided ‘anti-tank’ missiles to engage ! If we are using Javelin to “reach out and touch” small groups, or individual Taliban at medium range, at night, because the Javelin’s sight is so wonderful, then perhaps there is a role for some limited 120mm ‘sniping’

Or we could just ask the Canadians and Danish what kind of targets they find themselves shooting at ?

Richard Stockley
Richard Stockley
May 16, 2010 5:50 pm

Dominic, the D9R armour kit weighs about 17 tonnes or so, an extra couple of tonnes of weapons etc ouldn’t make much of a difference. Possible precision mortar fit?

DominicJ
May 16, 2010 11:17 pm

Jed
No target requires Javelin, Javelin is simply the best tool we have available.
I’m not convinced Challenger would be better, never mind best.

Would an upgunned warrior be just as good, it would certainly be cheaper to operate.