With the Army now starting to think about a BOWMAN replacement or evolution of it, time to look at the cost and ask whether it was value for money.
An FOI request published by the MoD this week provides some insight.
Please could you provide a list of all contracts to-date that the government has placed with private companies relating to the BOWMAN Communication System. Please could you provide the contract number & title, start & end data of contract, the contract recipient and its value. If you have any notes about details of the services rendered, I would greatly appreciate them, however this is not essential to the fulfillment of my request
And here they are
| Supplier | Contract Title | Start Date | End Date | Contract Value |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | JNIB – Full Implementation NOT BATCIS FUNDED | 01-Oct-05 | 31-Mar-10 | 15,200,000 |
| QINETIQ LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS DT | 31-Oct-05 | 31-Mar-06 | 80,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | PROJECT SUPPORT TO TNG | 13-Jun-07 | 31-Mar-08 | 50,000 |
| BOZEAT INDUSTRIAL LIMITED | Upgrade of Simple Fit TUM into TINY TUM | 05-Jun-07 | 31-Mar-08 | 500,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | PROVISION OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION FROM GDUK TO STAKEHOLDER DTs | 14-Jan-08 | 14-Jan-13 | 1 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | JOINT SYSTEMS INTEGRATION BODY (JSIB) | 01-Apr-08 | 30-Mar-14 | 23,000,000 |
| C2 DIEPPE LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS DT | 20-May-08 | 31-Mar-12 | 250,000 |
| SYSTEMATIC SOFTWARE ENGINEERING LTD | MIP CONSULTANCY | 15-May-08 | 30-Jun-09 | 800,000 |
| NEXOR LIMITED | NEXOR | 23-May-08 | 12-Jun-08 | 110,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | PROVISION OF BCIP TECHNICAL ASSURANCE SERVICES FOR 01/04/2009 TO 31/03/2011 | 01-Apr-09 | 31-Mar-11 | 2,000,000 |
| FUJITSU SERVICES LIMITED | SME SUPPORT FOR INTEGRATION OF BCIP INTO OVERTASK | 01-Jan-11 | 31-Mar-12 | 90,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | PROVISION OF SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR TO BATCIS 2010-2011 | 04-May-10 | 31-Mar-11 | 140,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | DSTL SUPPORT TO BCIP/OVERTASK PROJECT | 06-Sep-10 | 05-Nov-10 | 30,000 |
| INTELLECT ENTERPRISES LIMITED | PROVISION OF SUPPORT TO BATCIS TRANSFORMATION INDUSTRY DAY | 18-Aug-11 | 30-Apr-13 | 40,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | PROVISION OF SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR TO BATCIS 2011-2012 | 01-Apr-11 | 31-Mar-12 | 150,000 |
| TRUSTMARQUE SOLUTIONS LIMITED | PROVISION OF MICROSOFT OFFICE 2010 LICENCES | 01-Aug-11 | 30-Sep-11 | 10,000 |
| SYSTEMS CONSULTANTS SERVICES LIMITED | PROVISION OF A BAMIP SME | 06-Sep-11 | 30-Jun-12 | 80,000 |
| QINETIQ LIMITED | UOR AO1558B TECHNICAL SUPPORT | 06-Dec-11 | 30-Jun-13 | 370,000 |
| EXELIS DEFENCE LIMITED | POCIS TO PORT WAVEFORM ONTO THIRD PARTY SDR | 20-Dec-11 | 30-Sep-12 | 640,000 |
| QUINTEC ASSOCIATES LTD | UOR S AO1558 & A01599 TECHNICAL SUPPORT | 10-Oct-11 | 30-Jun-12 | 190,000 |
| EXELIS DEFENCE LIMITED | PROVISION OF JTRS BOWMAN WAVEFORM EVALUATION TRIALS SUPPORT | 08-Mar-12 | 19-Apr-12 | 60,000 |
| E2E SERVICES LIMITED | JSIB ENDURING SUPPORT | 01-Apr-12 | 30-Jun-13 | 240,000 |
| SULA SYSTEMS LIMITED | ENDURING SUPPORT TO BATCIS 12/13 | 01-Apr-12 | 31-Mar-13 | 250,000 |
| QINETIQ LIMITED | ENDURING BCIP SUPPORT 12/13 | 28-Mar-12 | 28-Jun-13 | 850,000 |
| THALES UK LIMITED | BCIP 5.5 ENDURING SUPPORT 2012/13 | 01-Apr-12 | 30-Jun-13 | 210,000 |
| TRUSTMARQUE SOLUTIONS LIMITED | PROVISION OF BCIP 5.5 OFFICE TOOLS LICENCES WITH TOKEN ACTIVATION CAPABILITY | 01-Mar-12 | 31-Mar-17 | 3,600,000 |
| C2 DIEPPE LIMITED | PROVISION OF E3 | 01-Apr-12 | 31-Mar-14 | 130,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | LSSP | 01-Apr-14 | 31-Mar-19 | 230,000,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | CONTRACTOR SUPPORT TO BCIP 5.5 FIELDING | 26-Mar-13 | 31-Mar-15 | 1,700,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | GDUK DESIGN SERVICES PROVIDER (DSP) | 28-Mar-14 | 31-Mar-19 | 135,000,000 |
| G3 SYSTEMS LIMITED | BOWMAN CONVERSION TCOPO | 12-Dec-12 | 31-Dec-13 | 350,000 |
| AQL EMC LIMITED | BOWMAN TCOPO E3 TESTING | 14-Jun-13 | 31-Jul-13 | 10,000 |
| FUJITSU SERVICES LIMITED | SUPPORT TO EXERCISE COUGAR 13 | 24-Jun-13 | 31-Mar-14 | 50,000 |
| ROKE MANOR RESEARCH LTD | ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND BRIEFING MATERIAL FOR SECURITY REVIEW | 05-Mar-14 | 31-Mar-14 | 10,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | DSTL SUPPORT FOR LSU OA | 31-Mar-14 | 31-Oct-14 | 50,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | BOWMAN SUPPLY AND SUPPORT CONTRACT | 13-Sep-01 | 31-Mar-14 | 3,200,000,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | ASSESSMENT PHASE FOR COMBAT & DLB | 06-Mar-02 | 31-Dec-00 | 11,500,000 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | GDUK INFORMATION SUPPLY | 23-Oct-02 | 14-Jan-08 | 1 |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | JSIB 2003-2008 | 25-Apr-03 | 31-Mar-08 | 25,000 |
| QUINTEC ASSOCIATES LTD | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 02-Apr-07 | 31-Mar-08 | 750,000 |
| SYSTEMS CONSULTANTS SERVICES LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 19-Sep-07 | 25-Apr-08 | 500,000 |
| QUINTEC ASSOCIATES LTD | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 31-Mar-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 800,000 |
| HP ENTERPRISE SERVICES DEFENCE & SECURITY UK LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 15-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 160,000 |
| SYSTEMS CONSULTANTS SERVICES LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 09-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 160,000 |
| DEVONPORT ROYAL DOCKYARD LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 21-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 120,000 |
| S.COM GROUP LTD | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 10-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 180,000 |
| ABBOTT RISK CONSULTING LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 03-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 100,000 |
| ADELARD LLP | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 01-Apr-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 60,000 |
| SULA SYSTEMS LIMITED | TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 19-Mar-08 | 31-Mar-09 | 360,000 |
| HP ENTERPRISE SERVICES DEFENCE & SECURITY UK LIMITED | EDS-PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT 1 APRIL 2009 – 31 MARCH 2010 | 01-Apr-09 | 31-Mar-10 | 130,000 |
| E2E SERVICES LIMITED | PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT | 20-Mar-09 | 31-Mar-12 | 550,000 |
| S.COM GROUP LTD | SCOM – PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SEUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT 11 MAY 2009 – 31 MARCH 2010 | 11-May-09 | 31-Oct-09 | 70,000 |
| RJD TECHNOLOGY LIMITED | RJDT-PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT 6 APRIL 2009-31 MARCH 2010 | 06-Apr-09 | 31-Mar-10 | 200,000 |
| ADELARD LLP | TECH SUPPORT BATCIS | 06-Apr-09 | 31-Mar-10 | 60,000 |
| DEVONPORT ROYAL DOCKYARD LIMITED | BABCOCK INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY – PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT 13 MAY 2009-31 MARCH 2010 | 13-May-09 | 31-Mar-10 | 120,000 |
| QUINTEC ASSOCIATES LTD | QUINTEC-PROVISION OF TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO BATCIS IPT 1 APRIL 2009 – 31 MARCH 2010 | 31-Mar-09 | 31-Mar-10 | 500,000 |
Just to save you the trouble, the total is…
£3,632,585,002
The big hitter of course being General Dynamics at £3.618 billion, original contract value £1.9 billion
| Supplier | Contract Value |
| GENERAL DYNAMICS UNITED KINGDOM LIMITED | 3,618,425,002 |
| TRUSTMARQUE SOLUTIONS LIMITED | 3,610,000 |
| QUINTEC ASSOCIATES LTD | 2,240,000 |
| QINETIQ LIMITED | 1,300,000 |
| SYSTEMATIC SOFTWARE ENGINEERING LTD | 800,000 |
| E2E SERVICES LIMITED | 790,000 |
| SYSTEMS CONSULTANTS SERVICES LIMITED | 740,000 |
| EXELIS DEFENCE LIMITED | 700,000 |
| SULA SYSTEMS LIMITED | 610,000 |
| BOZEAT INDUSTRIAL LIMITED | 500,000 |
| DEFENCE SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY LABORATORY | 420,000 |
| C2 DIEPPE LIMITED | 380,000 |
| G3 SYSTEMS LIMITED | 350,000 |
| HP ENTERPRISE SERVICES DEFENCE & SECURITY UK LIMITED | 290,000 |
| S.COM GROUP LTD | 250,000 |
| DEVONPORT ROYAL DOCKYARD LIMITED | 240,000 |
| THALES UK LIMITED | 210,000 |
| RJD TECHNOLOGY LIMITED | 200,000 |
| FUJITSU SERVICES LIMITED | 140,000 |
| ADELARD LLP | 120,000 |
| NEXOR LIMITED | 110,000 |
| ABBOTT RISK CONSULTING LIMITED | 100,000 |
| INTELLECT ENTERPRISES LIMITED | 40,000 |
| AQL EMC LIMITED | 10,000 |
This is also not the full picture.
The Personal User Data Terminals as first introduced, batteries and other items were (I think) moved into the Future Infantry Soldier Technology (FIST) or other projects. Whether the motivation for that was for genuine technical, project management or doctrinal reasons, or, just to hide the failures in another projects funds is open for discussion.
The costs also fail to include include any number of UOR’s needed because BOWMAN did not deliver or was not bought into service within the target period.
Many think BOWMAN has been a criminal waste of time and money, with lots of revolving doors between the MoD and General Dynamics, the destruction of RACAL and a shockingly poor system delivered to users that has taken a huge effort to get to a workable state.
Opinions seem mixed.
The early problems however, are a matter of record.
It would be good to see The National Audit office should do a follow up their 2007 report with the costs of Afghanistan and Iraq UORS’s considered, plus the related items like batteries, but I guess there is little appetite to do so.


In the early 80s I worked at one of Racal’s development labs. They had just created Jaguar V (as in JAm GUArded Radio VHF) which seemed to work very well. It was put forward for an international procurement. Rumourmill warning – the following may not have happened but the rumour was strong at the time. A competitor radio system (remaining nameless) for the same project was to be demonstrated at R.Sigs Blandford; it seemed to have a bit of difficulty establishing frequency hop synch. The stage was set, one radio plus Army operator each side, suitable jamming equipment, assembled experts and customer reps in attendance. Brief intro, followed by a demonstration of how well the radio coped with dense jamming in band. Except. The radios had difficulty getting in synch. It was suggested by the company rep that they just needed to switch the radios on at the same time and the demo could continue. “Three-Two-One-On!” No synch. “Switch off.” “Three-Two-One-On!” Nope. “Switch off.” And so the day progressed with the radio operators getting more and more frustrated and annoyed that the kit they were ordered to demonstrate was so far from fit for purpose. “Three-Two-One-On!” Nothing. “Switch off.” They continued through lunch, through the afternoon, through tea-break. “Three-Two-One-On!” Still nothing. “Switch off.” Five O’clock and the assembled dignitaries were packing to leave. “Three-Two-One-On!” Success! The radio company rep mood changed from suicidal to jubilant as he invited the delegates to return to their seats for a demonstration. At which point one of the two radio operators stood up and turned his radio off. Horror on the face of the company rep – “What?…” The soldier who was by this time completely hacked off with a day of “Three-Two-One-On!” and very unwilling to sell the radio as a good thing (and no doubt given the opportunity would have voiced his opinion of the equipment very colourfully) mustered all self-control and quietly stated “Its five o’clock, I missed lunch, my shift is over, I’m going to find some food. Good evening.” That radio system won the competition…
Has the british army ever managed to get a decent radio system.
It really should be a very simple thing to get right.
What alternatives are out there?
Frenchie mentioned the Félin Information Network (RIF-NG):
http://defense-update.com/features/du-2-07/felin.htm
BAE seem to have various product lines from Broadsword to Q-Warrior (based on their Q-Sight aircraft system):
http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/digital-battlespace/farnborough-2014-bae-pushes-broadsword/
http://www.baesystems.com/product/BAES_165373?_afrLoop=11389704899000&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=null#%40%3F_afrWindowId%3Dnull%26_afrLoop%3D11389704899000%26_afrWindowMode%3D0%26_adf.ctrl-state%3Du5md3ixhq_4
The problem with Radios is that, seemingly, more than any other piece of military kit they seem to be subject to friction/murphy’s law. Something that may work perfectly on Salisbury plain then for some unforeseen reason not even work in France, let alone Afghanistan. It’s not just the Brits that suffer from this, it’s a universal.
That Bowman was a mess is undeniable, there seems to have been some especially stupid requirements built into it that suggest a comprehensive lack of thinking in some quarters. Hopefully, with the Afghanistan experience it will be possible to be a bit more practical going forward.
On the same subject; this is always a good read: https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Rooney_RDS_Aut09II.pdf
Bowman is basically SINCGARS in a Union Jack. How the fuck has the MOD managed to fuck it up?
I can’t help myself but ask how many bowman systems have actually been supplied? Does anyone know?
Also a good read is anything by Jim Storr on BOWMAN, not a fan would be putting it mildly!
Thanks for the reading material suggestions, much appreciated.
TOC – as you asked, it seems son-of-Jaguar is still on offer: https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/australia/defence/panther-enhanced-digital-radio
Bowman is basically SINCGARS in a Union Jack. How the fuck has the MOD managed to fuck it up?
One bit of it – the VHF manpack – is SINCGARS with a Pritchel chip added. Other bits aren’t. The HF set is a Pritchelised Harris radio which the MOD deliberately made unable to operate on any VHF frequencies. Why, God only knows. Bowman HF can’t go about 30 MHz, and VHF can’t go below 30 MHz. The Harris set could work up to 60 MHz, so it was possible for it to talk to VHF sets as well (as long as they were on a fairly low bit of the VHF band). Could have been useful? Generally a good thing to have radios that can talk to as many other radios as possible? Not what the MOD thought!
My favourite Bowman design decision, though, is the battery charge indicators. With a choice of six sides to put the indicator on, these geniuses decided to put it on the top – i.e. the side that is attached to the radio. So you can’t check battery charge unless you take the battery off the radio first!
It has its good points – the HF set in particular is a huge improvement over the old Clansman sets, the kit’s lighter and secure voice is a must-have. But still, ugh.
I think the rooney article sums it up nicely:
A vocal majority with unshakable belief in the power of Digitisation.
• A desperate desire for secure voice at any cost.
• A powerful drive in the Army and MoD desire to keep up
with the Joneses (whether other services or the US).
• A procurement system that set services, procurements
and departments against each other.
• Departments controlling budgets for research, thereby
making their own procurement invulnerable to criticism.
• Plenty of carrots for a smooth procurement, yet no stick
for buying the wrong kit.
• No unbiased watchdog with the authority and skills to
assess a procurement early enough to do anything about it.
The first three might be excusable, but the last four are not.
The system does not have to prove that kit will work, it just
has to avoid proof that it will not.
of course, we wouldn’t make the same mistakes now, would we ?
@Monkey
I kid you not, nobody knows exactly how much BOWMAN kit there is, or where it is. Which is a spectacular achievement for serialised kit.
This isn’t rumour either. I was tangetially involved in something that required us to know how much there was for our scoping activities. Went a little something like this:
“And BOWMAN, how many terminals are we talking?”
“Err, we think in the region of x thousand.”
“What do you mean ‘we think’ – it’s serialised. Anyone drawing it has to sign for it! How can you not know exactly how many you have!?”
“….”
Fingers crossed the PT seems to be going the right direction with MORPHEUS/LETacCIS and procuring things a little at a time rather than trying to re-do everything at once.
We might even get radios without a toxic, runs-inducing CBRN coating, but that is wishful thinking…
Let’s not forget that a substantial portion of the reserves are still on CLANSMAN! (unless things have improved drastically in the last few years)
Ah, ‘radio, range less than shouting’. PRC351, how I don’t miss thee…
Interesting that the BISA’s are not listed, there are only three and only one has been fully approved and working, that being the CBRN BISA. Saying that, there was the £21,000,000 f%$k up to get the then called NBC BISA onto the system in 2008. Someone with big balls (actually it was a women) told the Prime (EDS at the time) they had ripped off the MOD for enough money and cancelled the whole thing and put it back out to tender in 2011. So you could add the 21 million (not that much compared to the final figure) to the pot plus getting the CBRN BISA in plus the other BISA’s.
http://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/05061050.pdf
Don’t forget the training overhead !
Summary: (p3)
By the time the Department had, sensibly, appointed General Dynamics UK as a single supplier to run both the Bowman and CIP projects as a coherent programme, it had already spent five years and £397 million (equivalent to 16.5 percent of the expected procurement cost of Bowman) on earlier stages, of which it subsequently wrote off some £51 million as not contributing to the later programme.
Despite this extended assessment phase, the Department’s business case still understated the costs, timescales and technical challenges associated with delivering key elements of the Bowman CIP capability. The need for extra funding of £121 million has been identified, to overcome technical difficulties identified during the development of the Bowman system and for essential updates to take account of advancing technology.
Such changes are handled through amendment to the contractual Systems Requirement document. Though equating to only five percent of total equipment costs this is in the context of a reduced total number of vehicles and aircraft needing to be converted, and the deferral of less urgent, though important, capabilities to a possible later project. A trebling of the training facilities assessed as necessary to make full use of Bowman CIP in service will add a further £24 million of costs, and £204 million in total operating costs over 25 years.
Twecky said
“A vocal majority with unshakable belief in the power of Digitisation.
• A desperate desire for secure voice at any cost.”
These requirements are hardly inter-stellar, light speed rocket science. With the right plugs I have passed digital data via Clansman 320 HF set in the mid-80’s as part of an experiment, from ship to shore, on battery power, with just the standard whip antenna. Now it was damn slow data rate compared to what we are used to today (for sure partly due to lack of proper wave form ?).
Radio communications can have an element of art to it for sure; there are places all over the world which operators just term black spots or black holes, they just “swallow up all your RF wigglies” mostly in HF. In other places your low power, low probability of intercept VHF gets bounced around under inversion layers (or something…..) and ends up being picked up way over the horizon…….
BUT – that is not excuse. I have not worked with Bowman much when I was TA. I don’t really know if its good or bad, or was bad to start with and now getting good, BUT there were plenty of MOTS alternatives at the time of solution selection, so is this potentially another case of MOD / Army gold plating and pushing requirements just that little bit to far…. ??
There is no denying that Bowman is the least intuitive system ever devised, but in the hands of a switched on user it is pretty good. I joined after the initial problems had been ironed out and I never had any dramas with it, be it on Salisbury Plain, BATUS or Afghanistan. The lack of commonality between the keypads and menu systems of the VHF and HF really irritated me, as it should have been possible to make them identical, although the Harris one was off the shelf of course. Bowman goes wrong in the hands of the moron. I remember an officer, who was a known cretin, marching round at H-Hr in STANTA with the standard man pack radio shouting “Can someone who is trained on this get it to work for me”. Umm, it’s the standard army radio, for use by LCpl and above and it needs to be turned on first!
The major shit shower in the world of Bowman is COMBAT, our attempt at a Blueforce tracker/Battlefield management type technology. It is an utter abortion and I have never know it to work outside of a CATT simulator. Give me a map, a marking template and some lumocolours any day. Interestingly the Germans have the same problem with theirs. I often think that we need to break out from being supplied by the standard defence contractors and get google/apple to design these things. The excuse that they need to be ruggedised is bollocks. My iPhone has taken a hell of a beating and still works!
Have updated the post with supplier information, I forgot to add that in the first version.
Showing my age now but I never got to use BOWMAN, CLANSMAN and BATCO only
My first experience of CLANSMAN was with a 349, not understanding what the clipped tone was I could not get it to work. Then someone had a listen, smashed it over my head and told me to change the fecking batteries!
Went on to become a Class 1 bleep and RSI, dah dit dit dah :)
No doubt Bowman had it’s problems in the early days, but lets not forget the complexity of the system being used.
I think the biggest issue Bowman suffered was the gap between user expectation and reality. Everything was compared to what is available in the civilian world and that’s either not possible or not supported by the requirements.
– You can not compare civvy data rates which have tremendous mast density with that of a deployed force. You can’t protect 1 mast per square km.
– You can not compare the data you have at home with a brick-like rugged data tablet, because a data tablet wouldn’t survive the environmental qualification of the requirements let alone the physical abuse.
– You can not compare the technology update with that of civvy st. The existing arrangements just could not keep track with the updates in processors, operating systems and software so they all lag far behind what you’d expect.
Ed Zepplin – Your iphone wouldn’t last 2 minutes against the environmental requirements. I might last 10 minutes in a ruggedised case (like otterbox). But there’s still the trade off of cheap to replace COTS -v- longer lasting bespoke.
SA – I bet much of that kit is sat in a pile waiting for repair with unprocessed paper work because they don’t need to repair it. Some of that will return to A1, much of it won’t.
It’s not the only crap radio system the Emergency Services Airwave system isn’t much better. It was full of promises of how good it was going to be when conceived yet it delivered far less. It can’t cope with sending data and barely cope with voice transmissions in high density areas. It’s so good that it’s due to be replaced in 2016. Highly expensive charged each time the press to talk is pushed. I once from an insider heard that when BT held the first meeting the Home Office pulled their trousers and were promptly B?&t @u£ed. Let’s home the new system is better.
CBRNGuru “Interesting that the BISA’s are not listed, there are only three and only one has been fully approved and working, that being the CBRN BISA”
BISAs would be procured as separately contracted programmes within CBM(Land) [and its predecessors] so would not be expected to be counted in any FOI trawl on Bowman/BCIP. Two of the three industry-MoD JIBs that have the task of bashing these parallel procured square pegs into the round holes are listed though (JNIB – networks; JSIB – systems including BISAs). JTIB (training) was consumed within JBUTSE(?)
Last public count of BISAs was four: MAKEFAST (Combat Engineering); FC BISA (Field Arty); GBAD (Air Defence); CBRN (as on the tin). G2 or G2/ISTAR BISA seems to have been stillborn, no idea where that is – nothing in public announcements.
I believe more than just CBRN are technically approved on the latest Bowman release and in some limited use – grab a Gunner! However expect each to vary in how much use the Training Teams are making of them and far down the end-user line, the Regiments have been made to take up the conversion – willingly or not!
trained as a REME tels tech in 1984, first day of course “of course you guys won’t see a lot of this and you will be back on a BOWMAN course before you’re back for your class 1 course.” fast forward to 2005 and still working on clansman!!
PS I had the dickhead officer as well, BATUS, some 1 pip HCR twat decided to give us a right chewing in front of his troops for “sending out knackered kit that we were obviously too stupid to fix” 2 seconds later me and another sgt explain to him quite loudly the correct switch positions. with a parting shot of “he should stick to horses” again loud enough for everyone to hear.
@radish293
‘It’s not the only crap radio system the Emergency Services Airwave system isn’t much better.’
Is it that bad? i know a few people who use it, they thought it was far better than their older systems.
@topman
Airwave is better than the legacy system as it suffers less from black spots more due to better aerial sighting. It really struggles in London especially on big events. One of the big benefits it the ability to use it throughout the UK Its possible to go to Scotland and still talk to the same operator in your home force. It’s also useful to be able to make a private call between any radio, if you know the number any user in the UK. can talk to any other. The telephony is poor and often drops out. It just haven’t delivered what was promised.
@ wstr, I was at Blanford last year for the CBRN BISA, speaking to the test team, GBAD had gone tits up, FC can’t get final approval yet because some tree hugger is sighting litigation issues if someone pushes the wrong button and brings down fire in the wrong area and Holdfast is having some teething issues.
So in my answer I took GBAD out of the equation until someone puts it right or it may end up like the NBC BISA and head quickly down the toilet.
Just to throw something into the mix on replacement there was a very strong rumour that TORC²H and TIGER had been demonstrated to the MoD last year.
@ wstr,
I was at Blanford last year for the CBRN BISA, speaking to the test team, GBAD has gone tits up, FC can’t get final approval yet because some tree hugger is sighting litigation issues if someone pushes the wrong button and brings down fire in the wrong area and Holdfast is having some teething issues.
So in my answer I took GBAD out of the equation until someone puts it right or it may end up like the NBC BISA and head quickly down the toilet.
Just to throw something into the mix on replacement there was a very strong rumour that TORC²H and TIGER had been demonstrated to the MoD last year.
I wonder how many of the O2 UK 2G base stations the Airwave radios are piggybacked on:
a) got any investment ever again?
b) are shared with Vodafone under Project Cornerstone?
c) are kept back from Cornerstone?
d) were closed as surplus under Cornerstone?
PhilEeeeeee
“Ed Zepplin – Your iphone wouldn’t last 2 minutes against the environmental requirements. I might last 10 minutes in a ruggedised case (like otterbox). But there’s still the trade off of cheap to replace COTS -v- longer lasting bespoke.”
Umm, I would have thought that my post made it reasonably clear that I have an idea about what those environmental requirements might be. I’ve taken my phone on every exercise I’ve ever been on and it has never stopped working. It’s not as if BOWMAN kit is exposed to the elements. It goes into a day sack/ vehicle / HQ or, if you are old school FIBUA-ing, a webbing pouch. The idea that it needs to be covered in magic paint is a nonsense. Apple for the BOWMAN replacement I say!
Historically radio systems have been pretty good by the standards of the time when they entered service. Larkspur was OK (not forgetting A41/42 were straight copies of PRC9/10), but about 5 yrs later PRC 25 entered service and that was a step change, it was another 15 yrs and Clansman before UK radios were up to current standard. PRC320 (HF) was fine, our chums connected to the Cemetery net OK using it instead of their own WW2 PT boat set in a wooden box.
The need to encrypt everything was blindingly clear by the mid-80s, the WP SIGINT threat was very serious.
Its amusing to remember that RA was using Larkspur for data transmission in the early 1970s (B48 FACE – AWDATS for the technically minded).
Radish: I’m sat playing with an airwave now in some undisclosed scotish sporting event, seems to be working well so far, personally it thinks it fairly easy to use and relatively reliable, and that’s coming from a stinking squaddie that’s as thick as a whale omelet.
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It’s most likely working well because BT have moved moved loads of infrastructure to Scotland. Must have come from Ealing as it was total crap in the high street today. Wouldn’t connect, call quality dire and kept dropping out.
@Ed Zeppelin – And I’m talking about the requirements, and not operational use. The iPhone (and most domestic electrical equipment) is only rated for 0C to 35C. That’s nothing compared to 00-35. And that’s before we start looking at IP ratings, shock and vibration.
Whatever happened to P-BISA? Did that ever actually get installed in the Warriors and Challengers?
@PhilEeeeeee – Yeah, we were told most of it was probably languishing on a shelf in theatre somewhere, knackered.
There’s also a growing feeling that maybe just buying 3 iPhones is cheaper and easier than buying one brick that is certified out the ass for adverse environments. After all, you can just go out and buy a new one from a shop. The USMC trialled this, giving iPads to Cobra pilots for mapping and I think it worked quite well – one breaks, just grab another from the PX.
I will admit that this isn’t much help in the likes of Norway though.
Personally I think we should be funding GCHQ to develop our own sovereign flavours of Linux and Android for our computing needs (Open Source see, perfectly legal). Then we can be hardware independant – it becomes fairly irrelevant as we can put ‘our’ operating system on whatever we want. Be that a Nexus from Carphone Warehouse or something gucci from Thales etc.
@wstr – a lot of the Bowman training stuff did move to JBTSE, which then became TSSP and is now STSP TSSP; “Soldier, Training & Special Programmes Training and Simulation Systems Programme”. And no, I am not making that name up.
@Boss – it’s a funny world; I don’t remember BATCO or the ’80s, but I am very familiar with the good old PRC 349. Which joined my helmet, rifle & optics as one of the many pieces of issue kit older than I was. Think I still have one of my mess tins – stamped /| 1945…
Only related in terms of mounting radios to a helmet, but thought it might be of interest here.
U.S. Army is looking at helmet prototypes with optional parts to protect the face and jaw from various threats, including blast waves:
http://defense-update.com/20140803_helmet_blast.html
Interesting. You saw the pressure wave chart? Looks like the full version makes you take a huge pressure hit all at once instead of the spread out pressure of the non-full helmet versions.