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Kenny Nixon
Kenny Nixon
January 26, 2015 1:01 pm

And none to the RE Museum in Chatham? They didn’t know about it (possible); they didn’t consider it (probable) or Chatham is a ‘no-go area’ (almost certain)?

Hohum
Hohum
January 26, 2015 1:03 pm

Team rapist probably appear in the visitor statistics for those places thus making them look considerably more popular than they are.

The word potential possibly hints at the appalling lack of discipline. ie; they had no idea how many would actually attend.

Finally, this whole episode underlines how utterly pointless our paltry, yet somehow still expensive, efforts at helping places unwilling to help themselves actually are.

monkey
monkey
January 26, 2015 4:12 pm

@Hohum
“Finally, this whole episode underlines how utterly pointless our paltry, yet somehow still expensive, efforts at helping places unwilling to help themselves actually are.”
The efforts of the Iraqi Army in holding back, overrunning, final defeating the forces of the Calprick illustrate this beautifully. Guys in Toyota pick up trucks (stolen from aid convoys etc) defeating Abrams tanks.
Perhaps a visit to Norfolk to the 7th Armoured Divisions only UK base (for a whole 5 months otherwise deployed from Egypt to Germany) would have been more inspirational.
http://www.desertrats.org.uk/assoc/Memorial_with_new_plaque.jpg
http://www.desertrats.org.uk/assoc/

tweckyspat
January 26, 2015 6:42 pm

Sadly, I suspect the rationale for the visits was to justify travel at public expense for a day out in London/ Cambridge etc I suspect Bassingbourn were just happy to get rid of them for a day of respite care except for the poor subbie or whomever dicked to count them all out and back again…

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
January 26, 2015 9:40 pm

I think Spearmint Rhino would have been a better trip out…

Phil
January 26, 2015 10:23 pm

Typical squaddies. They kick the arse out of it and now none of their Libyan colleagues will be able to enjoy a visit to the Foot Guards Museum.

Obsvr
Obsvr
January 27, 2015 7:40 am

Appalling, no visit to Firepower. There they would have learnt what really wins serious wars.

Chris
Chris
January 27, 2015 8:19 am

Obsvr – Firepower? A very depressing visit for me – in the corner of one of their exhibit sheds I found a vehicle I had helped design – as a museum piece?!? I’m not that old I tell you!

Hohum
Hohum
January 27, 2015 9:42 am

Firepower is also closing completely soon, so I am told. Apparently the enriched multicultural residents of today’s Woolwich have little interest in it.

Ian Skinner
Ian Skinner
January 27, 2015 10:06 am

Yes, the local council want to replace it with an art installation- much as been done to the IWM at Lambeth.

Chris
Chris
January 27, 2015 10:17 am

Hohum, Ian S – is the museum relocating then? Its collection is interesting and you’d have thought to good to sell off or scrap? Maybe a move to Larkhill? Come to think of it, after SDSR15 when the high ranks have been – um – retired, the old DLO site at Andover will be looking for a new role…

Hohum
Hohum
January 27, 2015 12:09 pm

I am not aware of any plans to move the museum, apparently it will just close. Apparently some of the larger items will go to Larkhill.

My preference would be for an arrangement to be made whereby the MoD pays for a new hangar to be built at Duxford next to the current IWM land warfare hall and display all the good bits there. It would hardly be expensive.

wf
wf
January 27, 2015 12:51 pm

@Hohum: well, I like Firepower…but I daresay the land sale for a few more blocks of flats appeals to the MOD more :-(

Full of little surprises. I particularly like the section of Iraqi supergun parked out front :-)

Obsvr
Obsvr
January 28, 2015 7:43 am

The reality is that Woolwich was not and never would be on the tourist trail. Many in the regiment pointed this out from day 1, and visitor numbers have been to low. The new strategy is to maintain a small ‘heritage presence’ in Woolwich (the museum’s leases are being re-assigned to the Royal Borough of Greenwich). The goal for the main collection is relocation, and “the museum board is in the final stages of considering options for the site of the future RA museum”. Being near a tourist magnet is the obvious goal. Almost as important 26 May 2016 is the regiment’s tercentary.

Chris
Chris
January 28, 2015 8:44 am

Ref Firepower – its a bit of a shame its moving; there is/was as much interest (for me) in the historic buildings and how they worked as a major factory as in the artefacts within. The same at the Pompy Dockyard or Chatham. As a contrast, the Tank Museum mostly occupies modern tin sheds (a couple of older tank garages/workshops subsumed) and as a result the building adds no heritage of its own.

I worked for a year or so at Alvis’s Holyhead Road site; built in 1936 to make aero-engines on a site just the other side of the railway from the car factory (a once famous landmark in Coventry was the Alvis Bridge, carrying the railway over Holyhead Rd and emblazoned with “Alvis of Coventry”). When Corporal Hitler decided to bomb Coventry, the car factory was obliterated but the aero-engine works was untouched – the Luftwaffe only had pre-1936 maps. The factory even in 1990 oozed heritage and had a fine 30s facade, and the solid red brick buildings were packed with nooks & crannies housing clever and useful stuff. It was a good place to work. But, it was costly to maintain and the council had their beady eyes on the site for more profitable (for them) use, so eventually the company moved to a tin shed by the motorway; in truth a well designed production facility but with no historic heritage in itself. The fine 1930s buildings were bulldozed and three anonymous tin retail boxes were installed, with a large tarmac carpark to the front. Bland boring pointless and ugly. Oh well.

At least the Woolwich buildings have survived, but its a shame they are now consigned to be exclusive waterside apartments for Russian oligarchs. Who would have thought the Royal Armoury would one day be owned by Russia’s elite?

Nick
Nick
February 2, 2015 10:41 am

Chris

Probably more likely to be Chinese or Indian money right now…

I enjoyed my only visit to Woolwich (its a pain in the neck to get to and I lived in London). Given the nature of the collection, I’d suggest a new building at Tank Museum location would be the best bet with Duxford second.