The Keys to a Shed – Smile for the Camera

It is hard not to chuckle at the essential ‘smallness’ of this.

With a ribbon cutting ceremony (no, really) the Defence Infrastructure Organisation and QE official social media has announced that some sheds are now open.

Now everybody smile, no, I said smile

Bet everyone was chuffed, a Scottish winter approaching and years ahead in a shed.

My favourite hashtag of the week

#DIODelivers

Anyway, read more here

https://insidedio.blog.gov.uk/2015/08/18/new-accommodation-for-hms-queen-elizabeth-crew/

And you can look at the Bunkabin range here.

Wonder if DIO stumped up for the Junior Deluxe or Deluxe model, or, the Original?

 

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Mental Crumble
August 18, 2015 2:43 pm

well, you nailed it with ‘smallness.’ How embarrassing. Still, if it means people talk about portacabins and don’t focus on the inconvenient fact that the F35 can be outflown by any 3rd world outfit with an Airfix kit or that people are saying in hushed tones, ‘why didn’t anyone tell us we were going to have to dredge Portsmouth Harbour..?’ then its perhaps a good deception plan.

Peter Elliott
August 18, 2015 2:52 pm

TD you’re just sour that they didn’t choose ISO containers….

MSR
MSR
August 18, 2015 2:58 pm

Second ‘smallness’. I used to look at news items from abroad, such as small Caribbean or African nations acquiring a truck mounted crane, or a handful of Toyota 4x4s. For a poor third world navy, or a very under-funded coast guard in an otherwise popular tourist resort, these things are big. But when the UK starts boasting about a few portacabins… I start to worry that we’re further down the slippery slope than we might realise.

If we have achieved Smallness, it’s a result brought about by several generations of tiny minds.

WiseApe
August 18, 2015 4:01 pm

Ready for the RAF to move into. Who said they don’t do austere:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/52468647.jpg

beady
beady
August 18, 2015 4:16 pm

At first, I thought it stated bunkinabin, which is possibly more appropriate.

MSR
MSR
August 18, 2015 4:46 pm
Reply to  WiseApe

Oh look. Yet another airframe that can out perform the F-35!

A Caribbean Perspective
A Caribbean Perspective
August 18, 2015 7:14 pm
Reply to  MSR

@MSR – this the sort of thing you had in mind? Not much compared to a couple of new portacaBINS, is it ;)

https://caymannewsservice.com/2015/08/cayman-airways-reveals-new-aircraft/
http://tcweeklynews.com/multimillion-dollar-private-air-centre-opens-p5808-107.htm

duker
duker
August 18, 2015 9:38 pm

“During a recent visit to MOD Caledonia the Navy’s First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir George Zambellas stayed in one of the cabins and was very complimentary about his experience,….

I suppose he was there to check out the Admirals accommodation onboard QE

Lindermyer
Lindermyer
August 19, 2015 11:28 am
Reply to  Mental Crumble

Re F35 would you care to share the evidence you have complied to reach that conclusion. That’s real evidence not what some blogger who has no connection with the project claims will be the case after consulting his stack of top trumps fighters.

As for Portsmouth it was always known and planned to dredge it, strangely the MOD didn’t see the point in spending a large amount of money to do something before it was required.

Mental Crumble
August 19, 2015 12:28 pm
Reply to  Lindermyer

http://f35baddeal.com/

the video is compelling viewing. It seems obvious to me that the one-size-fits-all approach would have a lot of resonance with planners and equally obvious, except to planners, that the big engine stuck on its rear and small wings is less than optimal for its aeronautics.

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
August 19, 2015 12:44 pm

Could have been Bunkabin who wanted the publicity.

I commend DIO’s flexibility but with experience of the use of volumetric building for hospital extensions and schools, it is never as temporary as people think.

I note the use of single occupancy cabins whatever happened to
“This is the Army, Mister Jones!
No private rooms or telephones
You had your breakfast in bed before
But you won’t have it there any more”
Extract Irving Berlin 1942
http://www.lyricsmania.com/this_is_the_army_mr_jones_lyrics_irving_berlin.html

Mental Crumble
August 19, 2015 1:42 pm
Reply to  Mental Crumble

additional reading re F35 http://f35baddeal.com/2014/03/19/fd-how-the-u-s-and-its-allies-got-stuck-with-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane/

I especially enjoyed the line, “one Australian military analyst-turned-politician claimed they would be “clubbed like baby seals” in combat

All politicians are the Same
All politicians are the Same
August 19, 2015 2:04 pm
Reply to  Mental Crumble

I love your link to a pad piece that used dta and simulations so unbalanced they could only ever produce the answers that the publishers wanted. it is from a site that exists only to try and drail the programme.
What really sums up their total disregard for facts is the complete drivel they wrote about the j31 in march 2014 when it flew publically for the first time in november 2014 and looked anything but a quick agile fighter. in march 2014 it had onlye ever flown once for 10 minutes, only one has ever been made and the Chinese cannot make an engine like an f135, desoite this they rave about its A2A performance.
Utter and total fiction. Could only have ben more amusing if you posted an air power australia link.

lindermyer
lindermyer
August 19, 2015 2:19 pm

So no you don’t have any real evidence the F35 will be a lame duck.

That video is absolute tripe, its a few people with an agenda no knowledge of the aircraft itself. Asserting its to expensive and wont work and anybody who says otherwise is involved in a conspiracy to hide this.

Pierre Sprey who believes high tech avionics / radars and EW systems are a waste and fighters should still be akin to Gloster meteors, a man who was peripherally involved with F16 design and now thinks he is gods gift to aeronautics.
Winslow Wheeler who makes a career (and his money) making populist attacks of military spending – Americas own Lewis Page.

The written article is no better – It completely misses the point that its Heavier and wider because it has a bomb bay – rather than hanging every thing off the wings. So whilst its true that in airshow configurations its less agile and slower It fails to appreciate that in the real world they will weigh similar amounts when fuelled and armed and the F35 wont have all those hangy off bits creating drag.

As for cant do CAS because not built like an A10 – Nobody wants to anymore in a high threat environment, the only reason the A10 hasn’t been retired is because of the wailing and gnashing by people who either don’t realise its obsolete or who are for political reasons opposed to its retirement.

The F35 will of course be a compromise and it probably wont be a great dog fighter, but it isn’t supposed to be. I suspect that the original claims will have been overly ambitious, but all aircraft are compromises.

Arguing its rubbish because its less agile than an F16 should be an indication of how poor the rest of their arguments are.
Mosquito wasn’t as agile as Spitfire – I don’t recall the Mossie being an abject failure.
Harrier was regarded as an air show gimmick as it wasn’t as fast agile or capable as other aircraft out there. It was on paper completely outclassed by the Mirage (and deriratives ).
Events in 1982 demonstrated that perhaps sch judgements were erroneous

Jeremy M H
August 19, 2015 2:23 pm

The F-35 is designed to have adequate agility and to leverage sensors and low observability to fight more effectively. That will either work or it won’t. Personally I think it is the right approach. I think that in most realistic scenarios outside of a scramble to intercept on short notice the F-35 will likely perform better than upgraded F-15, Eurofighters and other such aircraft. It is simply more likely to know where the other side is before they know where it is and will likely be able to engage first in most scenarios. That is probably the most important element there really is.

I know plenty of people don’t agree with that, and it is fine. We will see how things play out. But I personally think the next fighter the U.S. makes won’t try to expand on the F-22’s agility at all. In fact I expect it to take a small step back in favor of endurance, more and better sensors, improved low observability and electronic warfare and possibly better sustained top speed in that order. The pilots simply can’t turn any much harder than they already do. There just isn’t any advantage there to be had that will actually matter in combat.

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
August 19, 2015 2:30 pm

TD presumably non toxic inflammable gaffer tape with an appropriate sonic signature etc etc probably needs Tempest testing as well.
However what would the press say if surfaces were protected by fitted hand tailored covers (Cashmere ?) with seamed edges all paid for by the tax payer.

Mental Crumble
August 19, 2015 2:48 pm

Well we can call each other names all day but it won’t hide the fact that the programme is 10 years behind schedule and it doesn’t do what its supposed to. In fact not even close and credible sources of material referencing problems are widespread. It didn’t fly at Farnborough in 2014 because of an engine fire; engines fail on average after 47 hours (Bloomberg). Uncontrolled ‘wing drop’ at high speed; buffeting leading to fatigue cracks in high angle attack (Aviation Week), software algorithms become confused with three or four aircraft sharing data about the same target, (Flightglobal). Commander Sharkey Ward DSC AFC has really serious reservations, http://terencestrong.co.uk/royal-navy-air-ace-downs-new-f35b-fighter/ I’ll mostly be listening to him. The Royal Navy and the country has made a massive bet on the carrier programme. It has an array of doubters within the services and outside. Choosing aircraft that are not up to the job is not careless, its unforgivable.

Jeremy M H
August 19, 2015 2:52 pm

I mean I suppose you could build your own modern, supersonic VSTOL aircraft. Just deposit the 20 billion pounds and we will have it to you in 10-15 years…

lindermyer
lindermyer
August 19, 2015 3:09 pm

Mental crumble
Reading through again I cannot see where a single person has called you a name. What has been offered by all are very firm rebuttals of the sources you quoted.
Im not sure how you equate that to name calling, the fact you choose to take others disagreeing with you as a personal slight is entirely your problem.

It is a new development aircraft, there are always teething issues, the more complex the bigger the issues, the only thing different about F35 is the amount of scrutiny it has come under.
The only other aircraft that came close was Typhoon, if you believed the naysayers it couldn’t drop bombs and was no good in a dog fight and cost 50 gazillion an aircraft.

Rocket Banana
August 19, 2015 3:31 pm

The F-35 was compromised by, well, compromise. A warplane can be maneuverable like the F-16, tough like the A-10, stealthy like the F-117 or a STOVL model like the Harrier. A plane might even combine some of these qualities, as in the case of Lockheed’s nimble, radar-evading F-22. But it’s unrealistic to expect a single jet design to do everything with equal aplomb. Most of all, it’s foolish to believe a jet can launch and land vertically — a seriously taxing aerodynamic feat — and also do anything else well.

The real truth is that the articles/video have their roots in truth. If we started the F35 project again and removed the STOVL part of the equation we’d end up with… F22 (or J31 if you believe it really exists). Fortunately the USA have some… F22s. Well, what do you know!!!

F35 is a strike aircraft and even though it is fatter than in really needs to be it is likely to be a pretty good one.

Personally I have always maintained that F35A is a good aircraft (dogged slightly by the lift fan sizing) and that F35 generally will be poor in A2A combat. I also occasionally have a dig at F35B’s slightly smaller weapon bay but if you examine how it will likely be used, a couple of Meteor and eight SPEAR3 could provide a credible anti-AWACS and anti-IADS (SEAD/DEAD) system.

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
August 20, 2015 9:43 am

Eventually even the F35 will be as redundant as the EE Lightning. (See Photo)

If you want to discuss how easy it will be to convert as a starter home given the enlarged bomb bay then this is the place. Probably. Otherwise there was a thread only the other day.

Fedaykin
August 20, 2015 10:58 am

I am at a slight loss at why people are calling this announcement embarrassing, small maybe but not embarrassing. It is on the QE class channel and showing a quick and more importantly cheap solution to a temporary problem. The crew for HMS QE are starting to arrive to allow work up for the start of Sea trials next year. It is logical to give them temporary accommodation at Rosyth next to the ship rather than have them travel in many miles. There doesn’t look like there are enough cabins for the entire crew so these are clearly hotel accommodation for those who need to be at the yard. Within the bigger picture I think this is highly positive.

A British company has provided an innovative and cost effective solution to a temporary problem.

As for the F35 article, a quick read through shows it to be a rehash of old arguments by the usual suspects. I could see snippets of Air Power Australia articles within it, that is Karlo Copps website which appears to be entirely devoted to demonstrating why the F22 and F111 are the solution to all problems, how bad the F35 is in comparison to anything made by China and Russia based upon opinions derived from pictures.

Quotes from Pierre Sprey a man who was nowhere as relevant as he seems to think he was and Bill Sweetman a journalist who staked his reputation on the cancellation of the F35 and is now so mortally offended that it wasn’t he spends his time passively aggressively commenting on multiple web forums under his “LowObservable” Pseudonym about it.

As for the Seal clubbing comment Australian politician, the head of the Australian Airforce tears him another one in this Australian parliament video at about 21:00 and 25:00:

Bluenose
Bluenose
August 20, 2015 3:12 pm

Glad to see that we have finally reached a conclusion on the F-35.

Oh, wait…

40 deg south
40 deg south
August 23, 2015 9:46 pm

TD
If you think a media release in honour of some Portakabins is a little excessive, best you don’t examine the full-blown media campaign highlighting the NZ Navy’s new compost heap. Without a word of a lie…

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1503/S00160/royal-new-zealand-navy-go-green.htm

http://www.engineeringnews.co.nz/content/big-hanna-makes-navy-resources-go-further/

Apologies for lack of definitive opinions of F35.

MSR
MSR
August 23, 2015 10:03 pm

I vote for a new thread devoted to ‘small defence news stories’ like composters and portacabins and a new stationery set for the Admiral’s PA (that last one is made up, but I wouldn’t be surprised).

, if it was just a marginally interesting news update on the QE channel, then fine. Camera person wanders around, takes some establishing shots, gets shown inside by a rating who says complimentary things about the decor. Journalist narrates from the production office because it wasn’t worth a train ticket for a second warm body to attend. However… that is not what they did. Instead, they made a big song and dance out of it, pulled many people out of their day jobs (which, one presumes, are important) to stand around smiling awkwardly, and had a politician open the thing like it was a BIG DEAL. By doing these things they set themselves up for the ridicule they have rightly earned on this thread.

P.S. regarding the F-35 v. Lightening I remark, it was just a joke. Jeez… but then, I should have expected this. The first casualties of the internet were humour, perspective and truth, in that order.

ChrisM
ChrisM
August 23, 2015 10:13 pm

Who has been pulled out of their day job? Only the Director of from DIO might have come especially and it isn’t unusual for such a bod to use checking out a finished project as a reason to visit a site and his team there.