13 Minutes of PEROCC Awesome

In previous posts I have looked at the Pearson Engineering Pearson Engineering Route Opening and Clearance Capability (PEROCC).

Pearson PEROCC
Pearson PEROCC

It has evolved over a number of iterations into the current, frankly awesome, capability in the video below.

Watching the video above, it is clear that it could replace many of the current Talisman vehicles.

Buffalo Vehicle, Part of the Talisman Suite of Counter IED Equipment
Buffalo Vehicle, Part of the Talisman Suite of Counter IED Equipment
High Mobility Engineer Excavator, Part of the Talisman Suite of CIED Vehicles
High Mobility Engineer Excavator, Part of the Talisman Suite of CIED Vehicles
Talisman - 'Protected Eyes' Mastiff and Panama Mine Roller (image courtesy Challenger 2 @ Plain Military)
Talisman – ‘Protected Eyes’ Mastiff and Panama Mine Roller (image courtesy Challenger 2 @ Plain Military)
Talisman - Mini Mine Wolf
Talisman – Mini Mine Wolf
Talisman - Operations
Talisman – Operations
Talisman - Panama Snatch
Talisman – Panama Snatch

The design differs significantly from the previous version that was developed as part of the Mine Detection, neutralisation and Route Marking System (MINDER) technology demonstrator programme that started in April 1997.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73614187@N03/7472296994/

After a long history of failed projects and short term expedients the Army now has the opportunity to invest in a system that has obviously been the result of a lot of thought and innovation.

The purchase, or not, of this system by the MoD will be a good indicator of whether we intend to dump the many hard won lessons of the last 10 or 15 years of operations from the Balkans to the Afghanistan.

The British armed forces have a rather poor track record of retaining institutional knowledge and seem doomed to constantly relearn the hard way.

Of course, the Army has to be careful to avoid thinking Afghanistan will be the template for future operations. Talisman will evolve and likely merge into a Talisman 2 but there was a programme called the Route Clearance and Mine Countermeasures (RCMC) programme so how Talisman will fit into that and whether something like the PEROCC has a future with the Royal Engineers remains an open discussion.

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IED’s, Mines and Route Clearance – Lessons Ignored

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With thanks to Owen from Thumb Design (the people who made the video)

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Derek
Derek
March 17, 2014 5:16 pm

Yeah, we could order it and then it will arrive just in time to be put in a shed to gather dust before somebody sells it off.

This reminds me of Ranger, it would have been amazing 8 years ago.

Simon257
Simon257
March 17, 2014 5:18 pm

What a piece of kit. How many vehicles does the RE need to replace?

On a side note, doesn’t Pearson Engineering own the Former BAE Tank Factory in Newcastle?

Chris Werb
Chris Werb
March 17, 2014 5:33 pm

OK, it really is awesome, but I do see a few problems.

1. The roller system would be vulnerable to tilt rod mines between the two front roller units – adding a chain with an overload breakaway system between them might be an idea.

2. The sensor looks vulnerable unless put all the way back to the position for arm use. Some kind of armoured housing for it to fold back into would obviate this.

3. There are a lot of vulnerable hydraulic hoses all over the place. They’re very difficult to armour in many places, so I’m not sure what could be done. Flexible kevlar covers?

4. I’m not convinced about situational awareness without being able to directly see backward (yes I know there are SA cameras and an RWS, but I’d like to see some rear view mirrors or even a periscope).

Fedaykin
March 17, 2014 6:40 pm

I see Wayne industries are branching out then!

paul g
March 17, 2014 7:47 pm

So 4 mins into the video it shows the quick release mechanism for the front roller which they then replace with a dozer blade and it goes on to show the arm with a bucket on digging and lifting (4 ton lift) and the arm having a 360 degree arc around the vehicle. It’s British, and I have yet to see a decent wheeled CEV for the future wheeled brigades, if we wanted to work on the engineering side more, well FFS pop down the road to see the world leaders in that stuff; JCB.
My opinion. get this or see if the combat engineering side could have further development and then at least only the clearance attachments will be getting dusty in a hanger.

DavidNiven
DavidNiven
March 17, 2014 8:29 pm

If we want a deployable combat engineering vehicle for the light/medium units we should give Pearson Engineering our DEUCE to fit a 4 in 1 bucket with quick hitch and an increase in boom height equivalent to the old CET, armoured cab such as the one fitted to medium wheeled tractor in Afghanistan and winch, with an extra stocking filler of the same ancillary tool capability like the old Hydrema LWT and the PEROCC .Should be able to get all that added and still be 25t. (we can but dream)

http://www.military-today.com/engineering/m105_deuce.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV180_Combat_Engineer_Tractor

The PEROCC has potential and due to its better off road capability can offer a route clearence capability for the likes of Jackal.

paul g
March 17, 2014 9:29 pm

Afterthought; with the attachments front and rear having quick release that must be a plus for deployments by air.

Ed
Ed
March 17, 2014 9:32 pm

What I’d be tempted to do would be to use the JCB HMEE’s running gear and parts, which would keep the additional parts chain down to a minimum. I do have certain concerns about the ingress/egress route – under fire I’d not fancy clambering up and over to get out! I would have opted for a rear or side door, so each position is accessible (if a lucky shot hits, say, the driver, I’d want to be able to pull him out to save him…).

The Israeli Merkava is deliberately designed so crew members can safely move around between positions. I would really like to see that sort of philosophy of high value crew applied more widely. Just for a laugh, given the views of certain groups here in the UK, I’ll suggest that we replace the Challenger 2 with a UK version of the Merkava!

Overall, I think it might make more sense to look at the Mastiff’s replacement, and make sure it can fulfil as many roles as possible. To be honest, the HMEE is not going to go, so replacing Talisman with one system (PEROCC) may not make that much sense… If you keep the Mastiff/Ridgback/Wolfhound family, and you’re keeping the HMEE for engineering anyway, why bother with buying PEROCC?

Tom
Tom
March 18, 2014 10:37 am

Having seen PEROCC on display at the likes of DVD I have to agree with Ed. It’s certainly an odd-looking beast and I’m sure it can do all kinds of great engineering ‘stuff’, but I really didn’t fancy the ingress/egress. The thing is seriously tall and narrow; looks like it’d be a right mission in body armour (Never mind trying to do it under any kind of fire or casevac scenario…).

Chris Werb
Chris Werb
March 18, 2014 11:50 am

I wonder if they considered fitting the thing with crash survivable zero-zero ejector seats? :)

DavidNiven
DavidNiven
March 18, 2014 11:56 am

To be honest I don’t think the ingress and egress is any more of a problem than the escape hatch in the roof we use on the armoured medium wheeled tractors. Which is not to say that they are easy to get people out of now, but that the PEROCC is not a greater problem than what we live with.

Chris
Chris
March 18, 2014 12:10 pm

Ed – ref Merkava in place of Chally2 – interesting to note they both owe their existence to the mighty Centurion (although Merkava hull is back to front). This the first attempt at a prototype Merkava: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uzwL99AD7mI/TVgvpx9IJSI/AAAAAAAA2Pc/AfmynaETGlI/s640/prototipo2.jpg, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Merkava-prototype-latrun-1.jpg – note the original Centurion nose still visible under the back of the turret. Obviously there’s been a bit of product development since.

TJ
TJ
March 19, 2014 12:07 am

It’s a Rhodesian Pookie on steroids!

Ace Rimmer
May 30, 2014 9:44 pm

It does look a truly awesome piece of equipment that wouldn’t look out of place on James Cameron’s ‘Aliens’! That aside, it would be worth buying a few just to test them to destruction. As the vulnerability of the hydraulics, I’d look at duplex systems for the most essential items.

Also, the guy hanging a charge on the arm, I’m sure he would benefit from a small hatch in the side of the vehicle to reduce the need to through the roof every time, or at least an integral escape hatch and window on the left side. While I’m on the subject (and on a roll) how about a external ‘tank telephone’ for supporting infantry?