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tweckyspat
November 27, 2013 12:55 pm

How they fit it in between disaster relief operations I just don’t know

mike
mike
November 27, 2013 1:30 pm

Could make a joke about Sailors being more keen to do things as a group of bodies… but will resist :D

Twecky, sailors have plenty of time, as only small teams actually go out at a time – lol not the entire company x) – don’t be hoodwinked by RN PR, they are not as bad at it as their fanboys claim.

Topman
Topman
November 27, 2013 1:41 pm

I almost don’t want to ask, but that last one…?

Nick AKA Deja Vu
Nick AKA Deja Vu
November 27, 2013 1:51 pm

I am waiting for M&S\’s contribution on this one.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 27, 2013 2:29 pm

@Topman – Birth of the Heir I should think…

GNB

Topman
Topman
November 27, 2013 2:42 pm

Ah right, still pretty odd.

x
x
November 27, 2013 2:49 pm

APATS will come along to explain this as soft kill; the enemy are that embarrassed for us they give up and go home.

I would say more about the current state of the RN but APATS would accuse me of being both xenophobic (probably wacist) and sexist too.

And the USN does “flightdeck art” (?) too………

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/US_Navy_110217-N-WO496-001_Sailors_spell_out_.jpg

Brian Black
Brian Black
November 27, 2013 3:09 pm

I was a W once.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 27, 2013 3:15 pm

I feel obliged to point out that arsing about on ships goes back to Nelson’s Navy and probably beyond (I believe the first crossing the line ceremonies were recorded then) – I have always assumed it has something to do with the need to travel long distances between periods of frantic action even when actually at war…and that the people on the ship but not on duty actually live there, and do not have ready access to either camps (where important military activities like polo tournaments and mess dinners can be organised) or indeed 5* hotels (where cocktails can be taken by the pool)…as the Ship will be fully manned and moving 24/7 it hardly seems to matter what the crew on other watch amuse themselves with, does it? And polo would be a little impractical…

What would you have them do? All that body-building and “total warrior” stuff the Cousins seem to favour…a touch po-faced for any of HMAF I would have thought..!

GNB

Engineer Tom
Engineer Tom
November 27, 2013 3:21 pm

Portable boxing ring that can be fitted inside a T23/26/45 hangar, boost moral and could allow inter ship compettition and even be used with other navies when we ae operating alongside them.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 27, 2013 3:33 pm

@Engineer Tom – At a guess, they do that as well…

GNB

Chris
Chris
November 27, 2013 3:37 pm

Ref Nelson’s navy – a colleague of mine did some work with DGA (French MOD) including visits to France’s admiralty. Much to his host’s confusion, he burst out laughing as they crossed the fine marble entrance hall, because he’d seen the motto of the French Navy carved in the stone – it read “A l’eau! C’est l’heure!” Meaning: ‘To the Sea! Now is the time!” Unfortunately, while the French were rousing themselves shouting “A l’eau! C’est l’heure!” from the rigging at Trafalgar, what the Matelots of the Royal Navy heard was “Hello Sailor!”

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 4:10 pm

They also do plastic mascots https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/9485

The girl looks like she’s thinking i’m too f**king cool for this!

dave haine
dave haine
November 27, 2013 5:17 pm

@ Brian Black
All by yourself? Bit ‘Village People’ wouldn’t you say?

@ Chris
Now we know the real reason for British naval dominance….We didn’t want a bunch of camp french t**ts boarding us, and interfering with all our disguised ‘wimmin’.

@ Waylander
I suspect she was just running through her contract, in her head, trying to work out where it said ‘Join the Navy, See the World….Accompanied by a Large, White Plastic Gorilla’….

Either that, or she’s thinking of the inevitable modelling contract offers that will, almost certainly, accrue from such a dynamic image.

as
as
November 27, 2013 6:02 pm

It is not just the navy that does this I have see the RAF do it as well.
I’ve see the drill team make the roundel with covers on there hats.

If you remember the jubilee the did it spelling out with aircraft.

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 6:57 pm

@dave haine

Stranger things have happened, after all one of the RMs from the Cornwell 15 tried for a weatherman’s job with Sky, after displaying his presenting skills while being held hostage in Iran.

WiseApe
November 27, 2013 7:13 pm

Joe Wheeler? :-)

dave haine
dave haine
November 27, 2013 7:49 pm

@ Waylander

At least she isn’t crying to the camera….

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 8:23 pm

I can’t remember his name, I just recall a Sky News presenter saying one of the Cornwall 15 had been in for screen test or whatever they call it.
It must have been the guy who did the piece to camera in front of a map board on Iranian TV, and some PR savvy sky exec obviously thought he would make a bloody good weatherman. I don’t think he got the gig though.

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 8:47 pm

The RAN apparently had a similar incident in 2004, but they came out of it rather better.
The Aussies went back aboard the freighter they had been searching, took up defensive positions, and gave the Iranians a volley of “colourful language”.
After a four hour standoff they were lifted off the freighter by a Seahawk helicopter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Iranian_Seizure_of_Royal_Navy_personnel

dave haine
dave haine
November 27, 2013 8:51 pm

@ Waylander

To be honest- that would be the reaction I’d rather have seen…not this bloody half-arsed show that the andrew put on.

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 9:05 pm

So are UK military personnel now told to comply in that type of situation and not to escalate it by responding too aggressively? There was the Irish Rangers incident in Sierra Leone as well, although there was probably not much they could have done it they were surrounded & out numbered.

x
x
November 27, 2013 9:05 pm

@ Waylander

Can you comment on the gender mix of the RAN boarding team? I mean if it was just blokes then whatever they did was wrong and insensitive because sexism. The RN would never be caught out doing that because politically correct. ;)

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 9:17 pm

@X

I only just read about the RAN incident, it’s mentioned at the end of the wiki page on the 2007 hostage drama (link above).

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 9:26 pm

Here’s a link to an article on it – link not working will post it again

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 9:42 pm

Article on RAN incident http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/06/22/1182019309654.html

Edit I think it was the Irish Guards in Sierra Leone, not the Irish Rangers.

x
x
November 27, 2013 9:46 pm

@ Waylander

I am familiar with the incident I was pulling TD’s collective leg.

If that doesn’t get me put on defaulters for impropriety ……..

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 10:09 pm

@x

Yeah i gathered that, i just assumed the question was in order to compare the two incidents eg all the controversy over the female member of the Cornwall 15.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 27, 2013 10:11 pm

TD,

it’s a sign that the Andrew’s PR department are complete arses. Presumably like me you subscribe to the Twitter feeds of all 3 services, MoD etc***. Have you not noticed the sheer volume of PR bilge coming from the Andrew in comparison with the much lower number of tweets from the Kevins, MoD and the Army? But normally those fewer tweets have much more interesting stuff in them, not pictures of matelots posing in stupid pictures.

*** I only do this for work purposes in case some piece of int can be gleaned to either buff up a proposal or provide a useful talking point. I had to set up my own Twitter account to get them though. I don’t tweet myself. I now have 7 followers, despite never having published anything. How the hell does that work? Completely confused as to why a silent Twitter account has 7 followers (in only about 2 months).

The Twitter app for Blackberry is completely useless as well. Thankfully we’re about to bin Blackberry and go to iPhones.

x
x
November 27, 2013 10:43 pm

@ Wayland

No. RM aside they hardly struck me as a crew of hardened death dealers. The female may hold several black belts and play at number 8 for all I know; I suspect not. Um. Not so much “The Navy’s here!” more “Hello Sailor!”

I am sure APATS will be along to tell that isn’t what is required for boarding op and give us some professional spiel. You have to be prepared for the worst and be prepared to back yourself if it goes belly up. That is why the RAN got away it and F99 got rolled over….

That the entire RN set up for the Iraqi operation was wrong, underfunded, lacked imagination, and so put sailors at risk (to make up for those deficiencies) is only partial mitigation.

@ Red Trousers

Just to be clear if you Blackberry looks like this then it isn’t a Blackberry……

http://www.srde.co.uk/pictures/clansman_radio.gif

dave haine
dave haine
November 27, 2013 10:53 pm

@ X

Or do you mean “A l’eau! C’est l’heure!”

x
x
November 27, 2013 10:58 pm

@ dave haine

Look we have got enough trouble with Scottish nationalists on the site without you starting to spout Plaid Cymru slogans…….. ;) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altmark_Incident

PS: I am not going to mention cutlasses. Last time here I did some turnip thought I was serious.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 27, 2013 11:00 pm

X, I think I know what a Blackberry is… ;)

OT, my mother rather delightfully decided about 5 years ago that she wanted to be right up to speed on what the old man calls “computery” – neither of them having owned a computer at all in over 70 years. She asked me to provide advice, so we bought her a PC which I set up for her. She then pointed to the tower unit (which she calls the hard drive) and asked if it had an internet in it. I told her she was connected to the internet. She was a bit disappointed that she didn’t have her own internet and had to share one with everyone else. Where do you start?

Fast forward 5 years, and both of them are whizzing along, and she’s got my old iPod touch and the old man’s got an iPad, and they are emailing and skyping friends in Australia and doing all sorts of stuff. It all seems natural to them now.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 27, 2013 11:36 pm

Although not normally keen on the idea that HMAF should model themselves on the USMC, the one element of doctrine I think we should adopt is “Every Man a Rifleman” – with such reduced numbers as we now have there seems to be no good reason to train all recruits in skill-at-arms and maintain the expectation that they exercise it throughout their careers – especially when in unfriendly environments – no desire to see needless sacrifice, but biting back seems to me greatly preferable to rolling over – not least because if we do it once, people will expect us to do it again…

Also the racks of Sniders, Cutlasses and Colts with which HMS Warrior is festooned give a suitably martial appearance…I’d greatly like to see similar stands of arms here and there on all HM Warships.

Probably against ‘elf and safety though…somebody might get a nasty graze…

GNB

Waylander
Waylander
November 27, 2013 11:56 pm

@Red Trousers

To be fair the RN were criticised for being the “silent service”, now they are a bit more media savvy they get stick for that. The OTT PR offensive is probably a response to all the articles about the British public’s “sea blindness”.

DavidNiven
DavidNiven
November 28, 2013 3:39 pm

Did you see the sate of the RAF 90 one?

Shocking! I think there’s only one straight line amongst it ; )

mike
mike
November 28, 2013 5:07 pm

TD

I think the RN Mothers day one beats it all… flowers in a gun barrel x)

WiseApe
November 28, 2013 7:00 pm

I blame the senior ranks on board. Time was they actually had to sail and navigate the ship; now it’s all touchscreens and satnavs. Perhaps they’re just trying not to be “out of sight, out of mind.” It’s alright for the other services, they’ve got noisy machines buzzing around the country and blokes in silly hats in London, bang in the tourist traps.

The Chinese are developing a taste for this sort of display, too. Of course, there’s enough of them to spell out entire pages of text….