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All Politicians are the Same
All Politicians are the Same
November 3, 2013 11:03 pm

Yes it would, the US forces have a huge problem with sexual assault/harassment and are actively tackling the issue. Though the picture is not the greatest ever selected.

Paul Robinson
Paul Robinson
November 3, 2013 11:06 pm

Nah it’s perfectly normal. I do it all the time – i subscribe to their e mails, & dunno who writes this stuff but i think they’re on somethin more than official issue in their coffee, to kill the libido. The jingoism is one thing, but some of their writers aren’t right in the head.

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
November 4, 2013 8:18 am

Were an assault be about to occur in this scenario how would one prevent it? Lower oneself from the top of the turret on a rope or climb up from below? Should there not be a risk assessment and method statement.

“Job” or “duty”; if a sexual assault is imminent out of working hours are sailors obliged to prevent it?

I don’t believe this has been thought out.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 4, 2013 8:55 am

DV,

…out of working hours…” ???

I don’t think you understand the military, or at least the British military.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 4, 2013 9:16 am

TD,

playing rugby is a perfectly legitimate use of military time – just imagine the 19th Blankshires are OPFOR and have at them. It’s training.

Eating chips ‘n dips and drinking gassy lager with a whole load of Kevins on a Friday is not.

:)

dave haine
dave haine
November 4, 2013 9:17 am

Or a naval base on a monday?

dave haine
dave haine
November 4, 2013 9:52 am

@ RT

Fri afternoon is a team building exercise.

Beating the s**t out of each other, and the consequent costs of injury to the MOD on a Wed, budgets are tight, etc, etc

(That sounded a lot funnier in my head, than it seems on paper)

a
a
November 4, 2013 10:06 am

The picture is a splendid idea. Given that a US servicewoman is far more likely to be raped by her fellow soldiers than wounded by the enemy, using CIWS to prevent it seems only proportionate. “M61 VULCAN. 4,500 RPM OF 20MM ARMOUR PIERCING DISCARDING SABOT. FOR WHEN HE WON’T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.”

wf
wf
November 4, 2013 10:14 am

Next: the gun must be removed as an obvious phallic symbol. And there must be no military exercises within 20 miles of Cerne Abbas :-)

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 4, 2013 10:16 am

DH,

the whole point is that all the time you are at work is a team building exercise, not just a Friday afternoon. I’ve never seen Kevins spending Friday afternoons team building – they normally just disappear into their own Messes and get drunk. When you see the Station Commander and an SAC scrumming down together in a needle match against the other lot, that might count.

Dunservin
Dunservin
November 4, 2013 11:46 am

@ Dave Hain

“Or a naval base on a monday?”

– Granted you won’t see many ships or submarines alongside on any day of the week apart from Christmas:

HMS Dragon deployed in the Eastern Med and East of Suez since March
HMS Daring deployed in the Atlantic and Pacific since May.
HMS Bulwark and HMS Illustrious (and a lot of booties) deployed with RFTG on COUGAR 13 since August. Other units involved include RFA Mounts Bay, RFA Lyme Bay, HMS Montrose, HMS Westminster, RFA Fort Austin, RFA Fort Victoria, RFA Cardigan Bay and RFA Diligence.
HMS Lancaster deployed in Western Atlantic since May.
HMS Dauntless currently deployed in northern European waters on maritime security operations.
HMS Richmond deployed in South Atlantic since August.
HMS Ramsey, HMS Shoreham, HMS Atherstone and HMS Quorn deployed in Gulf semi-permanently.
HMS Penzance deployed in Med with SNMCMG2 since September.
HMS Ledbury deployed in Baltic with SNMCMG1 since October after returning from 3-month deployment in Med in September.
HMS Protector deployed to Antarctic since October.
HMS Clyde deployed in South Atlantic since forever.
HMS Tyne, HMS Severn and HMS Mersey deployed on Fishery Protection duties and patrolling UK’s 200 nm EEZ.
HMS Talent deployed in Med since September.
HMS Tireless reported off Gibraltar in August.

– I know there are more ships and submarines away from the side for training, trials and work-up, or in refit, but I’m sure you get my drift. Anyone living near a naval base will bear me out. :-)

Dave haine
Dave haine
November 4, 2013 12:20 pm

@ RT

Wouldn’t happen- the chance of any RAF officer, surviving the rugby field unscathed, is unlikely. Even if the other side don’t get him, his own side or the spectators would.

@ TD

I think it was…..

@ Dunservin

Can i have my hook back please?

Dunservin
Dunservin
November 4, 2013 12:22 pm

@ Dave Haine

“Can i have my hook back please?”

– No, I’m confiscating it to teach you a lesson. ;-)

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 4, 2013 12:35 pm

DH, it must just be me then. I’ve always been attracted to games of extreme speed or violence. I managed to inadvertently break someone’s kneecap while playing hockey, which resulted in getting sent off and (par for the course in those days) an interview without even a sniff of coffee with the Brigadier the following morning. I missed much of what he said as he was really decidedly angry, but I’m pretty sure the words “why can’t you learn to control yourself, you ruddy animal?” were used. Bloody hell, it was only a mishit from a free hit, it was hardly deliberate.

To be fair to the Andrew, they’ve got something with deck hockey. I was quite impressed while on Bristol, and even more impressed when told that it was toned down so that the Dartmouth cadets didn’t get too hurt.

colky7
colky7
November 4, 2013 2:26 pm

Sorry for sounding like a newb!! But i keep reading these Kevin, Andrew etc references – am guessing they’re generic nicknames for members of the services. Am pretty sure i’ve guessed which is which, but so i don’t make a twat of myself can anyone fill me in on which is which?!! Also whats the story with them?
Have never served (though am considering applying for one of the reserves), but do enjoy the banter and obviously have an interest in UK defence or i wouldn’t be here!!
Cheers!

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 4, 2013 2:33 pm

“To be fair to the Andrew…” Are you feeling OK @RT? Has @x brought a Gunboat up the Nene and taken aim on Red Trouser Towers? I would call for air support on your behalf but I don’t think it would help…but I’ve had a word with the HCMR and they’ve promised you a troop if they can find a Subaltern willing to leave Town…

Best of luck

A concerned Gloomy

HurstLlama
HurstLlama
November 4, 2013 3:00 pm

@Colky7

The Andrew is, as you will have gathered, a nickname for the Royal Navy. It is an old and not a disparaging name and is used by members of that service themselves. Where it comes from I don’t know.

In my family the RAF have always been known as the Crabs, or Crab Air. The term “Kevin” I have only ever seen used on this site and then normally only by Mr. Trousers, so it might be a cavalry thing – they are an odd lot in the mounted branch. Again I can’t help you with the etymology.

As for the army the Andrew calls them Pongos (I married into a Naval family and well remember my late father in law, a long service bootneck, very softly singing “Wherever the army goes the pong goes” at the signing of the register). I don’t know what the crabs call them, never having associated on terms of intimacy with crab air types. Most of the army nicknames refer to individual regiments or corps; not surprising considering that is where the focus of identity and loyalty lies.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 4, 2013 3:16 pm

@Mr H. Llama – I am not sure, but I wonder if the term “Kevin” might be derived from the character “Kevin the Teenager” created by Mr Enfield, the noted Comic Artiste…indicating somebody who is unintelligent, inarticulate, ill-dressed, wholly lacking in social skills and very poorly dressed…probably in badly-made and ill-fitting sportswear manufactured in synthetic materials and of an unflattering colour not normally to be found in nature…what I don’t know for sure if it is an epithet of his coining, or one in more common use amongst fashionable Light Cavalry Officers of a particular age, class and outlook on life…

GNB

dave haine
dave haine
November 4, 2013 3:26 pm

Apologies for late reply, but i hyperventilated, and had to go and lie down with a large restorative Madeira, after RT uttered the phrase “to be fair to the andrew”

@ GNB

Air support at which one? (Funnily enough just had a couple of hawks whizz over, heading north east). Don’t forget the subbie still has to go to Bonds for his new regimental badger hair shaving brush, can’t go anywhere without that!

@ colky7

Andrew is the pet name for the Royal Navy, also known as the ‘Grey Funnel Line’, F**king fishheads, self absorbed whiners, and targets.

Kevins are the RAF, also known as ‘crabs’, depending on trade could also be pigs, rock apes, plumbers, shiny-arses, bangnuts.

And:

Pongo’s are the army, also known as targets, cabbage patch dolls and depending on the regiment/corps: drop shorts, armoured farmers, Burberry commandos, etc etc

x
x
November 4, 2013 3:34 pm

Chris
Chris
November 4, 2013 3:36 pm

GND, HL – there is also Kevin Turvey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=yaG6oiSdHpo – not that those fine fellows of the Royal Air Force bear any resemblance to such a plastic-clad individual. They couldn’t really, else they wouldn’t be allowed into their 5-star hotels when on deployment, would they?

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
November 4, 2013 4:25 pm

– A fair point, although the Hotels tend to be in hot places run by funny foreign chappies, so that may account for it; in the UK I assume they live with their Mums, like the chap in question?

GNB

mike
mike
November 4, 2013 5:24 pm

You forget Ruperts, puddle pirates and fanboi’s

I dunno, the USN and USMC have really gotten into this “must protect women mode”, the latter enough the change to a seemingly unisex uniform.
I know they have some serious issues though.

Though its nothing like the Russian forces, the numbers of recruits alone they loose from suicides is very depressing.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 4, 2013 7:10 pm

What’s wrong with being fair to the Andrew? They need all the help they can get. ;)

Kevins are just… Kevins. There is a root to it. Virtually every RAF officer on a Puma detachment in South Armagh in 1988 was called Kevin (no joke – there were at least 5 of them). And it just sort of fits with the utter dross they wear, and mindlessly mulish attitude to landing in the correct field. Honestly, no gentleman would be seen dead with a name including the letter K, or with an even amount of syllables unless it begins with H.

DGOS
DGOS
November 4, 2013 8:12 pm

Surely Rock Apes is RAF Regiment from when they beat the marines up the Rock

We always referred to Guards / Cavalry subulterns as Wodnies and Wuperts

dave haine
dave haine
November 4, 2013 9:22 pm

Kurt? Konrad? Both RAC 1lts of my aquaintance.