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That Pampa by-pass you can only better by a Herc with the ramp down
– one of the guys who kept their head down (were mooning; I forget which unit – probably that was withheld)was hit… and died
Topman June 9, 2011
ACC, I think that was in the mid 90’s at S.Cerney. A herc practising low level drops hit an army mover stood on top of a land rover.
paul g June 9, 2011
toppers, correct. If i remember ALLEGEDLY (can’t afford the lawyers) there was a family member on board (civvy) having a jolly, hence the showing off. Might’ve been a 4 tonner as well. still f**king low mind
Wstr June 9, 2011
Faster, Lower, Longer – none could beat the Buccaneer!
And last but not least, it’s not that fast and it’s not quite as low as the rest but I couldn’t help but this on as well, the Vulcan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNUQpbwJdE
It’s a shame they don’t make them like they used too. USAF Regional bomber, no thanks I’ll take the low flying Vulcan ;-)
Gabriele June 9, 2011
The Buccaneer was, like… totally awesome. Is it wrong to wish intensely that there still was a squadron of them in service…? Because i do.
Junior June 9, 2011
Anyone know the reason why it was taken out of the inventory? It still could be useful for CAS(correct me if I’m wrong). It has a huge range of 2000miles, and if I am correct, does anything in the RAF even match up to in mileage( obviously in this type of role). There is a nice number of them, still here in the UK and only need a small amount of partial re-construction. A lot faster than the A10 as well.
i.p.freely June 10, 2011
Possibly the best low level flying video, Tornado GR1 during the 1st Gulf War.
Best part about this video is that it took place during a War and it’s done by pilots flying over real world. We’d all seen theses French pilots flying over runways or ocean, where everything is flat. Not these bunch of RAF pilots.
I agree with the Buccaneer fans nothing beats it at low and fast but then it was an aircraft built for it. Buccs in the US for training used to collect barbed wire at times when they took things a little too low.
George June 10, 2011
Yeah got a soft spot for Buccaneers – we talked about them on TD’s post about the Medium Bomber. There was even a plan for a supersonic version about the time of TSR2.
As it happens I am off to the RAF Cosford air show on Sunday and they are going to have the Vulcan flying there. I’ll post a link to my photos if anyone is interested.
I remember going to see an air show at RAF Finningley with my Dad in ’83 I think it was. The Vulcans had had a reprieve after the Falklands and the highlight of the show was a FOUR Vulcan scramble. I can still remember the noise!!!
Airshows were a lot better in those days – we had a lot greater variety of equipment to show off. I don’t even think they are displaying the Typhoon this time, though there are a pair of Tonkas from XV squadron showing. I’m really quite sad my little boy will never see a Harrier doing its tricks for the crowd….
G
Gremlin June 10, 2011
@George
Ditto – my son still can’t believe a Harrier can nod to the crowd…like you looking forward to the Vulcan on Sunday.
@ Navalgazer – there was some comments with the video about Rafale spanking Typhoon – this goes against what I’ve been led to believe; I have heard of Rafale spanking Super Hornet but not Typhoon. Do you have any more information?
Not dismissing piloting skills of French pilots. I’m talking about the RAF pilots. The reason why I mentioned the French pilots is because they are very good and are probably one of the best in the world.
But you can’t compare anything with that video. Especially not the one you linked.
DominicJ June 10, 2011
AE was held 11-22 April 2011 according to Wiki.
Our Fighter Typhoons were deployed to Italy for the Libya intervention on the 21st of March, along with mounting the three QRAs.
Anyone in Turkey for AE was more than likely to be playing on the reserve team….
We’re unlikely to learn much from any wargame.
Typhoons on practice flights in the Lake District have been ambushed by 2 F15’s and beaten them, they’ve detected careless F22s at long range with PIRATE, and now they’ve been spanked by F16’s at close range.
Hell, the USAF was beaten by the Indian airforce a few years ago. When the headlines died down, it turned out the USAF was operating with just fighters and SRAAMs whereas the IAF had AWACS and BVR missiles.
Dont get me started on “clubbed like baby seals”….
We have no idea what the three actual engagements were, 1v1? 50v1? What ranges or weapons were involved, what assists each side had, were casualties regenerating ect.
With a further claim, that Typhoons and Pakistan have never been present at AE.
Theres also the bizare claim that Israel is most afraid of Pakistan learning its BVR secrets.
I pakistan and Isreal both used every asset at their disposal, they could probably get a couple of fighters into BVR range over Iran, once.
I’ve been posting about the “PAF” F-16 versus Tiffy over in the open thread.
Things to note – no, the PAF have never coincided with RAF Typhoons at AE – the one time they were there with us, we took Tornado GR4’s. However this Pakistani pilot appears to have spent a lot of time on exchange with the Turkish AF, even flying in their national version of AE. So he could well have flown a Turkish F-16 against RAF Typhoons in 2009.
Having said that, commenters on the Reg have suggested that this was all based on an unofficial model of the Tiffy in PAF simulators.
Without knowing the full story, we can’t really say much. If it was a real DACT, you need to know the conditions and restrictions on both aircraft. But in principle I can live with the idea of an ex-F3 driver being beaten in a dogfight by a F-16 pilot who’s grown up without access to BVR weapons. There’s no shame in that – after all, RAF doctrine (and massive capital expenditure) is all about avoiding that kind of knife fight.
@DJ – think you’re missing the point about Israel/Pakistan. From Israel’s point of view, anything Pakistan knows is soon shared by Iran, Syria etc etc….
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i love this one because of the merlin roar and the bloke goes from cool, calm reporter, to not so calm with full underpants!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MFsq5CVAN0
That Pampa by-pass you can only better by a Herc with the ramp down
– one of the guys who kept their head down (were mooning; I forget which unit – probably that was withheld)was hit… and died
ACC, I think that was in the mid 90’s at S.Cerney. A herc practising low level drops hit an army mover stood on top of a land rover.
toppers, correct. If i remember ALLEGEDLY (can’t afford the lawyers) there was a family member on board (civvy) having a jolly, hence the showing off. Might’ve been a 4 tonner as well. still f**king low mind
Faster, Lower, Longer – none could beat the Buccaneer!
The cockpit view of the flyby is now out, over at Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/5809436/exclusive-cockpit-video-of-the-craziest-flyby-ever
Great clips TD, here are a few of my other favourite clips:
Harrier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRfDsSnLtE4
Jaguar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKME4EQDkIU
And last but not least, it’s not that fast and it’s not quite as low as the rest but I couldn’t help but this on as well, the Vulcan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McNUQpbwJdE
It’s a shame they don’t make them like they used too. USAF Regional bomber, no thanks I’ll take the low flying Vulcan ;-)
The Buccaneer was, like… totally awesome. Is it wrong to wish intensely that there still was a squadron of them in service…? Because i do.
Anyone know the reason why it was taken out of the inventory? It still could be useful for CAS(correct me if I’m wrong). It has a huge range of 2000miles, and if I am correct, does anything in the RAF even match up to in mileage( obviously in this type of role). There is a nice number of them, still here in the UK and only need a small amount of partial re-construction. A lot faster than the A10 as well.
Possibly the best low level flying video, Tornado GR1 during the 1st Gulf War.
Best part about this video is that it took place during a War and it’s done by pilots flying over real world. We’d all seen theses French pilots flying over runways or ocean, where everything is flat. Not these bunch of RAF pilots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTPlk70eSLY&feature=player_detailpage#t=237s
I agree with the Buccaneer fans nothing beats it at low and fast but then it was an aircraft built for it. Buccs in the US for training used to collect barbed wire at times when they took things a little too low.
Yeah got a soft spot for Buccaneers – we talked about them on TD’s post about the Medium Bomber. There was even a plan for a supersonic version about the time of TSR2.
As it happens I am off to the RAF Cosford air show on Sunday and they are going to have the Vulcan flying there. I’ll post a link to my photos if anyone is interested.
I remember going to see an air show at RAF Finningley with my Dad in ’83 I think it was. The Vulcans had had a reprieve after the Falklands and the highlight of the show was a FOUR Vulcan scramble. I can still remember the noise!!!
Airshows were a lot better in those days – we had a lot greater variety of equipment to show off. I don’t even think they are displaying the Typhoon this time, though there are a pair of Tonkas from XV squadron showing. I’m really quite sad my little boy will never see a Harrier doing its tricks for the crowd….
G
@George
Ditto – my son still can’t believe a Harrier can nod to the crowd…like you looking forward to the Vulcan on Sunday.
@i.p.freely
Don’t knock the overland flying skills of the French carrier pilots. See ‘Charles de Gaulle et Rafale au Afghanistan’ at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wZ0Q_hB6m8#t=220s
@ Navalgazer – there was some comments with the video about Rafale spanking Typhoon – this goes against what I’ve been led to believe; I have heard of Rafale spanking Super Hornet but not Typhoon. Do you have any more information?
@Gareth Jones
Not my part of ship although I am aware of the typically dodgy Register article at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/eurofighter_beaten_by_f16/. I’ll defer to those better informed.
@Navalgazer
Not dismissing piloting skills of French pilots. I’m talking about the RAF pilots. The reason why I mentioned the French pilots is because they are very good and are probably one of the best in the world.
But you can’t compare anything with that video. Especially not the one you linked.
AE was held 11-22 April 2011 according to Wiki.
Our Fighter Typhoons were deployed to Italy for the Libya intervention on the 21st of March, along with mounting the three QRAs.
Anyone in Turkey for AE was more than likely to be playing on the reserve team….
We’re unlikely to learn much from any wargame.
Typhoons on practice flights in the Lake District have been ambushed by 2 F15’s and beaten them, they’ve detected careless F22s at long range with PIRATE, and now they’ve been spanked by F16’s at close range.
Hell, the USAF was beaten by the Indian airforce a few years ago. When the headlines died down, it turned out the USAF was operating with just fighters and SRAAMs whereas the IAF had AWACS and BVR missiles.
Dont get me started on “clubbed like baby seals”….
We have no idea what the three actual engagements were, 1v1? 50v1? What ranges or weapons were involved, what assists each side had, were casualties regenerating ect.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/06/must-read-tell-all-interview-w-1.html
Comments on DEWline to effect of, RAF were Red Team, during DACT, since when did the red team do anything but die?
With a further claim, that Typhoons and Pakistan have never been present at AE.
Theres also the bizare claim that Israel is most afraid of Pakistan learning its BVR secrets.
I pakistan and Isreal both used every asset at their disposal, they could probably get a couple of fighters into BVR range over Iran, once.
Please can I refer you all to – http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?199327-The-LOWEST-flyby-you-ll-ever-see.
Thanks.
Thanks Joe
I’ve been posting about the “PAF” F-16 versus Tiffy over in the open thread.
Things to note – no, the PAF have never coincided with RAF Typhoons at AE – the one time they were there with us, we took Tornado GR4’s. However this Pakistani pilot appears to have spent a lot of time on exchange with the Turkish AF, even flying in their national version of AE. So he could well have flown a Turkish F-16 against RAF Typhoons in 2009.
Having said that, commenters on the Reg have suggested that this was all based on an unofficial model of the Tiffy in PAF simulators.
Without knowing the full story, we can’t really say much. If it was a real DACT, you need to know the conditions and restrictions on both aircraft. But in principle I can live with the idea of an ex-F3 driver being beaten in a dogfight by a F-16 pilot who’s grown up without access to BVR weapons. There’s no shame in that – after all, RAF doctrine (and massive capital expenditure) is all about avoiding that kind of knife fight.
@DJ – think you’re missing the point about Israel/Pakistan. From Israel’s point of view, anything Pakistan knows is soon shared by Iran, Syria etc etc….