MSS (Small) – Platform Supply Vessel Conversion

The final three sections contain worked examples for small, medium and large versions.

MSS (Small) – Platform Supply Vessel Conversion

The PSV conversion is the absolute bargain basement, devoid of any frills.

To start, let’s go shopping on the second hand lot!

81m PSV

The 81m PSV described in Part 1 is our target vessel, currently sitting in Hamburg and available for the princely sum of $2.25 million, or about £1.6 million. This is as common, cheap and simple as they get, a UT 705 design built in 1979, so no spring chicken, but hey, less than £2m. The SeaOwl VN Partisan training vessel described above is a UT 705 design, by the way.

The specifications are as follows;

Dimensions: Length overall, 80.77m. Beam, 18.01m. Maximum draft: 5.61m. Deadweight 3,910 Tonnes

Capacities: Deck Area 55m x 15m. Fuel capacity, 627 Cubic Metres. Water capacity, 477 Gallons. Oil Based Mud 3,996 bbls @ 100%. Brine 2,516 bbls @ 100%. Dry Bulk 172 m3 in 4 tanks

Accommodation; Berths, 26. Cabins, 14 x 1 man and 1 x 12 Man. Workshops, hospital room, gym, galley, crew mess, day room, laundry and stores.

Class Notation; DNV +1A1, EO/worldwide UK DTp

Propulsion; Engine power: 2 x 2400. Fuel Consumption: 8 Tons Per Day. Cruising Speed: 11 Knots. Maximum Speed: 12 Knots. Bow Thuster 2 x 750 BHP. Stern Thruster 2 x 750 BHP. Rudders Twin Spade

Winches and Cranes; Capstans 2 x 10 T. Deck Crane 1 x 2.5 T SWL @ 5m. Tugger Winch 1 x 5 T

Navigation and Communications; 2 x Marine VHF. 1 x Emergency VHF. 3 x portable VHF radios. Internal calling system. Cellcall telephone. Satcom “SAT C” System. Navtex Receiver. 1 x Sat-M phonefax. 1 x Gyrostar Gyrocompass. 1 x Skipper GDS 101 Echo sounder. 1 x Robertson AP9 MK2 Auto-pilot. 2 x Racal/Decca Bridgemaster Radars. 1 x Nor/Ron 360 Magnetic compass. 2 x GPS Receiver

Although it is most basic, it is manoeuvrable and capable of operating in extreme sea conditions.

Oh, and did I mention, less than £2 million!

Assuming that after a survey, the basic ship condition is sound, a number of works packages can be defined. This kind of work is bread and butter for many of the smaller UK yards, we need not worry the Clyde. Cost must always be a major factor, the whole point of this example is to show what can be achieved for ‘not a lot’

Given I am no naval architect, am making a few assumptions/guesses here.

Work Packages

Package 01 – Hull and Fixtures; refresh the paintwork and anti-fouling coatings, ensure all fixtures (mooring bollards, railing, ladders etc.) are sound, remove and repair any structural damage. A new lifeboat and ships boat should complete the job.

Package 02 – Power, Propulsion and Machinery; if the engines, power system, water treatment and propulsion equipment can be reasonably supported for a ten year lifespan then they should be refurnished. If not, selective replacements would probably be desirable. They may not be rated for warm water operation and this would be a factor is deciding on refurbishment or replacement. One thing that might force an upgrade is the requirement for power for electronic systems and payload modules, additional generator capacity and distribution equipment for example, is likely to be required.

Package 03 – Accommodation; the accommodation is likely to need complete replacement, good facilities contribute to retention and there may be specific requirements for the potential crew. Sleeping quarters, gyms, rest rooms, offices , galleys, laundry, workshops and treatment rooms can all be brought up to modern standards. A secure ammunition and weapons store would be a new addition. Because there may be additional crew added as part of the mission module approach, the basic services like galley, laundry and other non-sleeping accommodation should be designed to cater for a slight increase.

Package 04 – Fluid Cargo Systems; on PSV’s, the lower deck contains large facilities for liquid cargo; drilling mud, freshwater, brine and fuel are typically pumped onto oil rigs and other offshore facilities. Probably the easiest thing to do with the pumps, pipework and storage tanks would be to simply leave them in place, but taken together they represent a significant volume that could be used for other things.

If it didn’t adversely affect stability or was too expensive, I would be inclined to use the space for additional fuel, potable water and stores in to extend the vessels unsupported endurance.

Package 05 – Electronic Systems; What we should not do is try and turn a £2m ship into a vessel that contains £100m worth of electronics, that would be silly. There are what might be considered a set of baseline systems that allows the ship to operate in its intended roles, namely sensors, ships network, navigation and communications.

In 2014, the first four of a number of UK MCM vessels were upgraded with the latest X Band SCOT Patrol 0.8 communications equipment. Secure HF/VHF/UHF radio would also be added, something like the Software Defined M3SR (series 4100 and 4400) VHF/UHF and HF transceivers from Rhode and Schwarz, as fitted to other RN vessels. Would it need Link 11, 14 and 16, no, not really, so we can avoid the cost of fitting and maintaining such like. 3G and GSM might be useful, as would an underwater telephone.

The MoD has recently let a contract to install the latest Kelvin Hughes SharpEye navigation, surface search and short range air control radars across the fleet. It is the kind of basic system that would make sense because it is cheap and simple, but if a more capable system was deemed necessary, something like the Terma Scanter 4100 as fitted to the River Class might be equally sensible.

Finally, a basic day/night electro-optical system, searchlight and electronic chart would complete the major electronic systems. There is no need for additional acoustic or fire control systems so something low cost like the Chess Dynamics Sea Eagle is appropriate. The Aptomar Securus would be a good alternative.

A ship wide Local Area Network should also be installed.

The equipment selected is certainly at the low end, but that is the point, they are basic and cheap. There may be some potential for Selex, BAE or Thales, for example, to create a low-end integrated mast solution. The Thales i-Mast for example, although it would be of a lower specification that their current range.

Package 06 – Weapons; the images show GPMG, M2 and Dillon Aerospace M134 Miniguns (Mk44), all should be available for basic self-defence, with pintle mounts at appropriate locations.

No other fixed weapons should be fitted.

How much have we spent so far?

Any number would, frankly, be a guess, but making an educated guess based on other refits and contracts regularly described in the trade press, would anyone think such a set of modest upgrades and refurbishments would cost in excess of £10-15 million? Add some project management, design and consultancy costs, on top of the basic purchase cost of the ship and some contingency, and my big fat finger in the air calculator comes out at around £25 million.

Let’s not forget, this is just for one vessel, the second hand market doesn’t usually cater for multiples of the same design, especially at the bottom end, but, it demonstrates what can be done for a small amount.

At this point, we have an innocuous looking, slightly aged, high endurance maritime pickup truck that can operate for extended periods in all types of weather. It has a basic set of sensors and good connectivity with decent crew accommodation, modern facilities, and a large flat cargo deck.

On the down side, it has no aviation facilities, no facilities for loading and unloading vehicles and no accommodation for embarked personnel either. The fitted crane is only useful for loading and unloading ships stores.

Useful, yes, but still rather basic.

The key to its usefulness is the large, flat, open deck, approximately 55m x 16m, capable of carrying 2,500 tonnes. This could support 36 Twenty Foot Equivalent containers. Double stack and use 45ft Hi Cube containers and that works out to roughly 3,000 cubic metres volume, or 900 tonnes. Instead of containers, convert the space to lane metres (approximately 3m wide) and it translates to 275 lims, 30 MAN HX60 trucks. Obviously, these would have to be craned on and off but it does provide some idea of cargo capacity.

Going back to the roles list it could probably fulfil the Submarine Rescue role with no additional equipment or modification. All that is needed is a flat clear deck for the LARS and TUP. This would also make the assumption that the MSS is in the right place at the right time, with easily demountable or cleared cargo deck. The beauty of the NATO Submarine Rescue System is that it can be flown to a port and fitted to any vessel that can accommodate it.

Without modification it could also perform some of the other roles, but only parts of them.

This leads to a conclusion that some additional equipment is needed that will enable modular solutions to be utilised. In addition to the smaller TEU sized module, semi-permanent custom made modules that are as wide as the deck could be fabricated. These could be lifted in and secured by onshore facilities. 16m wide ‘maxi modules’ could be anything from a UAV hangar to an accommodation block, not everything has to be limited by a TEU’s dimensions.

Modular solutions need not be swapped every other week, another incorrect assumption people often make, but to make the most of them, additional systems are needed.

The following are additional work packages that enable the cargo deck to be utilised for modules and other cargo.

Package 07 – Additional Accommodation; to provide a flexible accommodation space for embarked personnel, immediately aft of the forward superstructure would be four container wide installation, three high, similar to that shown in the image below.

PSV Modules

The modules are placed inside a lifting frame that also acts as gangways, stairs, landings and emergency exits.

Four containers are approximately 10m wide which leaves ample space either side for access routes to and from the forward superstructure and cargo deck. Because the embarked personnel would make use of the ships facilities for eating, laundry and other functions, the modular block needs only cater for sleeping and ablutions, with some office and storage space.

The bottom layer of four containers would be ablutions and showers, with the remaining two used as a locker/ready room and office/briefing room. For the remaining eight containers a decision on sleeping density would dictate the final capacity. Using 8 bed containers could provide space for 64 personnel but this would be a maximum and it would probably be better if a mix of densities were installed. Two 8 bed, five 4 bed, and 1 2 bed containers provides a good mix, for a maximum of thirty eight sleeping spaces.

Using 33 foot containers in a 40 foot lifting frame provides optimal density. The accommodation block module results in the loss of 13m length from the 55m cargo deck, leaving 42m for other payloads and cargo.

Package 08 – Services Distribution; along both sides of the cargo deck, services and utilities connection panels would allow modules and equipment to be connected using flexible cables and hoses. By using the standard 20ft ISO container as a universal module shape, the multi-services panel spacing can be easily determined. Modules can simply be placed, secured and clipped in to the relevant service or utility.

Package 09 – Loading/Unloading Ramp; the closed stern and cargo rails mean vehicles, modules and containers would have to be craned on-board using harbour or other ships cranes. Once deployed, they would be no easy method of offloading, again, only a shore or external crane. This is far from ideal so a simple RORO ramp, fitted to one side, adjacent to the superstructure, would provide a significant increase in flexibility, the ability to load and unload vehicles and trailers. To keep costs down, only one would be needed, but it would be advantageous if the ramp were self-supporting so that it could be used to land onto an adjacent Mexeflote or pontoon. Some space provision inboard would also need to be made to accommodate height differences and vehicle turning radii.

This space would then leave 35m for other payloads.

Package 10 – Crane; a fixed pedestal crane would allow cargo and vehicles to be loaded and offloaded. For example, it could carry a Mexeflote or other pontoon system, crane it over the side and then lift stores onto the Mexeflote, all whilst at sea. There are many types of marine and offshore cranes, available from a broad range of manufacturers such as Palfinger, TTS, Leibherr, McGregor Cargotec, Pellegrini, Heila, NDM and Kenz.

MSS does not need a heavy lift crane or one with a deep subsea heave compensation systems, it can be relatively simple. The large subsea active heave compensation cranes can be £3-4 million, hardly in keeping with our bargain basement approach. All it needs is to be able to move containers, vehicles, pallets and others break bulk cargo from the harbour side to the deck and the deck to a floating platform adjacent. The cheapest is a fixed (or stiff) boom crane but a telescopic boom crane provides a good blend of cost, lifting capacity and boom length. The Palfinger PTM 1500 or PTM 3000 for example, the latter of wich can lift 22 tonnes. For smaller loads but operability in higher sea states, Barge Master offers an interesting motion compensated crane, the BM-T40, 15 tonnes at 10 metre radius.

Palfinger telescopic boom crane

Barge Master T40: 'just like lifting onshore'

BM T40 Motion Compensated Knuckle Boom Crane

Package 11 – Davits; launching small craft using the main crane would not be ideal, indeed, in higher sea states it would be dangerous. Therefore, boat launch davits will be required, much of the utility of MSS is derived from its small craft. They would cut into the deck space but it is a worthwhile trade off. Manufacturers include Vetsadvit, TTS, Caley and Norsafe.

Go for a model that can support craft up to 15m and it could easily accommodate the Thales/ASV Halcyon for MCM, the ARCIMS for combined influence sweeping, combat support boat, Army work boat, Pacific 24 and Offshore Raiding Craft. Go up to 20m and increase the weight and even the LCVP or a Combat Boat 90 are possible.

If it were operating in the MCM role, there would be ample space for SIX Halcyon davits and enough room for four a lengthwise control containers, stores and workshops, these could also be double stacked with ease. Lose two davit slots and this would free up enough room for a 15m long landing pad for UAV’s, with some storage space underneath.

Package 12 – Landing Deck; Assuming at least two (one each side) 15m davit leaves 24m available for other uses, about the same size as a Type 23 Frigate helicopter landing deck. Clearly, fitting a helicopter deck would be on a semi-permanent basis and given the scope of the other work packages, would not provide open deck space for anything else. It would be the accommodation block, a pair of davits, a small amount of clear space between them and the landing deck, and nothing else.

It could be fitted in such a manner that there was some space available beneath it but the handling equipment would add additional cost, it remains an option though, and would provide approximately 12 TEU’s worth of space, or 120 lane metres for vehicles.

Roles

Comparing the capacities against potential roles;

Humanitarian Assistance Disaster Response; the basic configuration, without landing pad, provides a good platform for HADR. Accommodation for a combat engineer and logistics troop, plus a handful of other specialists. The two davits could be used for a Pacific 24, Combat Support Boat or even a new build Alnmaritec Wave Supplier landing craft (similar to that carried by HMS Protector). The deckspace, used for a disassembled Mexeflote, vehicles and stores containers. When on location, and assuming no port facilities exist, the crane would offload the Mexeflote and stores or vehicles onto it for transport to shore. In this configuration the open deck space left would be 15m wide by 25m long. A couple of MAN HX 4×4 trucks, two JCB Telehandlers, two JCB 4CX and a couple of Land Rovers would be joined by 16 20ft ISO containers of relief stores and engineering tools and equipment.

Training and Defence Engagement; It seems to me that the VN Partisan provides a near perfect configuration for training. The only exception would be where the Partisan has the containers mid-point on the cargo deck for aviation training spaces, the MSS accommodation units would take up this space, so only a minimum aviation training space could be provided. If aviation training were dispensed with, or limited to small UAV’s like a Scan Eagle or Camcopter, the smaller flight deck and space beneath, would provide valuable training facilities.

Maritime and Littoral Security; again, helicopter facilities become the determinant factor in configuration. Facilities for a Wildcat (or similar) helicopter would still provide enough space for 4 12m davits. The additional personnel would likely be Army or Royal Marines, with specialist UAV operators as required. In addition to the four small craft (Pacific 24’s, Offshore Raiding Craft etc.), there would be ample space for a small UAV like Scan Eagle and 4 or 5 container sized modules for operations rooms and stores, perhaps even prisoner containment. An alternative might see the deck space used for four Combat Boat 90’s or similar, although there would be only five or six metres of open deck space left over for UAV launch and recovery.

Medical Support; am not convinced there is enough space for medical facilities so in this configuration, MSS is unsuitable for the RFA Argus role. It still might be useful for medical support in a HADR context, although again, capacity would be limited.

Salvage, Repair and Fire Fighting; an 80m PSV like this has about 30m less length than RFA Diligence which represents a lot of lost space, so in this configuration, like medical, am not convinced it would be suitable. Additional cranes and workshops would be required, turning a cheap vessel into an expensive vessel. Therefore, this version would not be a suitable RFA Diligence replacement. Like medical, there might be some possibility of using it as a secondary repair and salvage vessel, accepting the reduction in overall capability.

Experimentation and Systems Development; I think it would be taken for granted, that the large open deck, crane, services connectivity and additional accommodation would provide a very good platform for experimentation and systems development, especially emerging unmanned surface vessels and aerial vehicles.

MCM and Survey; whether this example would be of any value in the MCM role is entirely dependent upon the evolution of unmanned off-board systems, likewise for survey. Survey tasks will rely less on unmanned systems for specific tasks but making the assumption that the unmanned revolution arrives, this example could easily carry 6 small unmanned craft like Halycon or ARCIMS. Even with this payload, it has the space for a comprehensive command and control fit, data centre for information processing, basic maintenance facilities, disposal vehicle magazines and communications equipment. Containerised Launch and Recovery Systems (LARS) are also available off the shelf for the current generation of REMUS and Seafox unmanned systems. Other than MCM direct, such a conversion might also provide suitable facilities for the MCM support role.

Ship to Shore Logistics Support; in addition to carrying supplies, vehicles, personnel and engineering plant for port repair, another suitable task would be that of providing a ship to shore fuel transfer capability. With one of the davits for an Army Work Boat or Combat Support Boat, and sufficient deck space for hose drums and the floating pump and manifold of the Joint Operational Fuel System, it could provide a capability we only have in limited capacity now.

Special Forces and Intelligence Support; whether carrying raiding craft, small landing craft, vehicles, personnel or even a swimmer delivery vehicle, the carrying capacity and flexibility afforded by the open deck space would provide obvious utility for special forces. Containerised signals equipment could also be used to provide an additional and innocuous capability for gathering intelligence. Unmanned systems would also be potential carries.

Submarine Rescue; in its bare configuration, it would provide an excellent platform for the NATO Submarine Rescue System.

Buying New

It may seem counter-intuitive to buy something for a couple of million Pounds and then spend twenty five million on pimping it up, but if it allows us to save millions on buying new, maybe it is not a bad investment. However, if the second hand approach forces too many compromises and is poor value for money, there is still the option to buy a ready-made design and build new.

An example might be the ubiquitous Ulstein PX 121.

PX 121 Blue_Fighter_Beryl_field_CR-crew-Esvagt-Observer-2

PX 121 Go-Mundara-launch-PX121-3

PX 121 IMG_9892_CR-ULSTEIN

LAUNCH OF BRITOIL POWER PSV

Blue Fighter ULSTEIN PX121

The Bridge on one of the New PX121 Ulstein X-Bow Type Ships.wmv

REACHED 30 'ULSTEIN PX121' PSV DESIGNS

The PX 121 is a basic 83m platform supply vessel, but given it has about 30 years of evolution over our second hand example, the latest designs and equipment come as standard. It is about the same dimensions as the UT705 so module capacity and configuration would remain largely unchanged.

If we don’t mind keeping significant design changes to a minimum and going overseas for the build, prices are actually quite low. Recent contracts include a pair for less than $29 million each, about £20 million.

Although the X Bow does look rather futuristic, the PX 121 is about as simple as they come. There are many other similar designs, from Rolls Royce, STX, Vard and Damen, for example.

Summary

The open deck of an 80m Platform Supply Vessel provides an opportunity to mix and match modules and open space, each layout optimised for the mission. For some roles, it would be entirely unsuited though, and other approaches would be needed. But for many of the others, this example does provide some glimpse into the possibilities.

The main downside I can see with this is their pedestrian speed, top speeds are generally in the 14-15 knot range, far from ideal. Also, the lack of aviation facilities is a big problem for many of the roles.

If we are willing to compromise, again, reinforcing the point that a merchant conversion is a collection of compromises, then this route may well provide a ‘bargain basement’ solution.

Whether it is right for the UK, will, as always, let you argue the details.

Table of Contents

wsd-600-psv Introduction
hms-protector Part 1 – Examples and Initial Considerations
Wildcat Part 2 – Roles and Modules
1981-custom-platform-supply-vessel--2 Part 3 – MSS (Small) – Platform Supply Vessel Conversion
Offshore Construction Part 4 – MSS (Medium) – Offshore Construction Vessel Derivative
rolldock Part 5 – MSS (Large) – Multilift Vessel
CIEWS Phalanx Part 6 – Climbing the Fighty Ladder
Ulstein PSV Summary

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JohnHartley

1979 is too old. You are spending a lot on conversion for very little service life. I can see the point of the new PX 121, but as I have banged on before, it needs heavier weapons than a 7.62 gatling gun. What happened to those modern (post 1982) 20mm & 30 mm manual mounts the RN had? Plus a few SeaBrimstone.

mr.fred
Fedaykin

Agreed, 1979 is waaaaay too old! We were still taking delivery of T42 then! If a commercial vessel is to be procured off the shelf no more than five years old imho…ten at a pinch.

Also not for the Royal Navy, it makes sense for the RFA as they are already operating to something close to commercial standards and have a mixed fleet of bespoke and commercially procured vessels. I keep on coming back to it but the incident with HMS Endurance should serve as a warning about the RN operating second hand commercial vessels.

Fluffy Thoughts

No! And maybe.

It is not a frigate but what is it meant to do? One vessel with indeterminate roles and – yet – lacking self-suffiency.

No.

Simon

Not wishing to put words into TD’s keyboard I feel perhaps “A Ship That Isn’t a Warship…” would be a better description “… But Still Delivers Some of the Things Needed by RN Taskings”?

What I think TD is proposing is something that isn’t quite an RFA (which is really a logistics/supply ship), and not quite an RN warship. Something that can do constabulary and humanitarian duties. Something that can still fly the flag and keep the UK in every corner of the globe participating in world events.

If we choose a new-build I think the Ulstein SX 123 would be a better choice. For sure it might be more pricey but it has some key advantages: higher speed (19 kn vs 15), more standard accommodation (40 POB vs 24), a ROV hangar, a stern ramp for launching and recovering a 12m daughter craft, etc.
http://ulstein.com/vessel-design/sx123
https://vadebarcos.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/buques-offshore-respuesta-emergencias-rescate-errv-esvagt-aurora/ (a good analysis of the design in Spanish)

JohnHartley

The RN bought 20mm GAM-B01 for T42, T82, T22 & even some Leanders after 1982. Are they sitting a shed somewhere? Thet are the type of Womble recycled weapons I am on about.

Mad Marsupial

The image that comes up on defensa_cat’s link (http://ulstein.com/vessel-design/sx123) seems to have all the accessories already installed and more.

Crane, suitable RIB launching, a side ramp, and what looks like a helipad on the back. There are even a couple of water cannon on the front that if I close my eyes I can imagine replaced with that 20mm or 30mm mount. Throw on a couple of side mounted smaller calibre weapons and call it a day. Every other trick can be mounted via containers.

mickp

I don’t see what designs such as the SX123 can add to the capability that the newly built Rivers bring in terms of patrol, presence, HADR. The Rivers even come ready with 30mm cannons and a large helo deck. Sure they probably can’t carry as much kit as some of the designs being talked about but if we really need a ship that isn’t a frigate / warship (and I can see the argument for certain taskings) then shouldn’t it be Bay size at least? In fact, other than specialist taskings that Scott or Protector would undertake, aren’t a Bay style vessel (with a hanger) the most utility – can do the range of peacetime stuff but have a genuine wartime amphib capability

Whist I can fully support using a civilian OSV, 1979 is too old. There is no immediate requirement so we have the luxury of time, and as such we should pay the premium to build new, Building new means better living facilities, better engines and modern electronics, as well as a platform that will be much longer lived than a hand-me-down ship.

Following the model of build abroad, finish off in the UK, it could still be delivered affordably.

I cant agree with some that it should have big guns, I see absolutely no point in having armament greater than the current fit on the mine hunters or auxiliaries. Anything greater and its adding complexity with little justification. Any fighty capabilities should be gained by the platforms off board modular systems such as Wildcat or CB90. Leave the fighty business to the fighty combatants, and the support roles to platforms like this.

I very much like the small option, it sound very close to the vessel I have in my imaginary fleet. Ample accommodation at the front, storage and boat launching facilitates in the middle, hanger and flight deck at the back.

It seems this concept has a big focus on cargo carrying, whilst it is important I don’t think it should be the main consideration. If we want to shift large quantities of equipment we can contract private companies, or use the points. The folks that operate the points are well use to supporting isolated communities, regularly sending supplies and engineering plant to the Falklands. The same processes can be used for Humanitarian Assistance Disaster Response so I don’t see the need for a platform that focuses on shifting pallets and containers from a to b.

I think the main consideration should be the operation and support of off-board modular systems. That requires extensive, launch, recovery, operating, storage and maintenance facilities which is all something that comes very naturally to OSV type design. Naturally those facilities will have a secondary use a cargo space.

Eagerly awaiting the other installments, interested to see how the others compare as I already think this will be my favorite.

JohnHartley

Post 1982, the RN bought twin 30mm mounts (BMARC GCM-A03-2). I think some are/were on HMS Ocean. What happened to the others? Even an MSS needs to fight off/intimidate a swarm of speedboats armed with HMGs/RPGs.

@ JohnHartley. I think all of the manned gun systems have gone, apart from more recently aquired 7.62 miniguns. The 30mm twin mounts were purchased for Bristol and the Type 42s and Batch 1 and 2 Type 22s (and maybe some of those purchased as a UORs during the Falkands War ended up on one or two leanders and Fearless LPDs?) and have been replaced by Phalanx & Goalkeeper CIWS, while the many more 20mm and 30mm singles have been replaced by DS302 Mk2, optimised for surface targets, UAS and helicopters and are fitted to pretty much everything (possibly remanufactured DS30 manual mounts with new bushmaster guns and optics). Some of the older systems remain in foreign service fitted to sold-on Type 21s and 22s and MCMVs.

On another thread recently we touched on the very high decibel exposure of manned gun systems. On that basis alone I’d have thought that anything larger than a medium machine gun isn’t likely to be fitted now without RWS operation.

A very similar pair of vessels were relatively recently purchase by Trinity House for £17.5m each in 2006/7. The NLI Pharos and THV Galatea work in extremely difficult sea conditions maintaining the offshore navigational aids around the UK and Irish shores and are built and equipped to a high specification as is befitting an organization that has been working offshore for over five hundred years.
http://www.trinityhouse.co.uk/pdfs/pdf_insert_thv_galatea_jan_2011_final_approved.PDF

H_K

The costs for new builds are so cheap already that second-hand buys don’t make much sense IMHO.

However, the MSS concept itself certainly has some merit. The French are buying 8 hulls that fall squarely in this category, for only €22-30 million a pop. That’s ex-VAT, built in France… cheap.

The first 4 hulls are 2,300 ton, “multi-mission” ships, called B2M. Their roles include HADR, ship-to-shore logistics, diving/salvage/buoy tender operations, and EEZ patrol/maritime security. For this they can embark 20 troops, 3 vehicles, 6 containers, medical/diving facilities, 1 LCVP and RHIBs. They can land a helicopter and may in the future operate UAVs. They will be based overseas in the South Pacific, Caribbean, and Indian Ocean. Double crewed for maximum sea time.

The next 4 hulls are slightly larger 2,700 ton tugs/tenders, called BSAH. They will support SSNs and SSBNs, perform submarine rescue, as well as tow damaged (war)ships. Could easily be used for minehunting support too.

B2M : 65m, 2,300t, €22M new build, http://www.navyrecognition.com/customer/piriou/B2M/KERSHIP%20B2M-GB%20LEAFLET.pdf
BSAH : 70m, 2,700t, €30M new build, http://fr.dcnsgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/pr-programme-bsah_def-1-1.pdf

Observer

The maritime market right now is depressed, so people are building ships cheap just to stay afloat. I foresee the economy picking up in a few years so now would be a good time to get some new ships.

I just had an ironic thought, when there is a recession, government income drops, so they cut cost by delaying purchases, but at the same time, it is during these recessions where people build good stuff cheap to stay in business. If you add these 2 together, doesn’t that mean that the government will never be able to buy cheap? It’s like the undertaker never smiling problem. If business is good, he can’t smile, it would be rude, but if business was bad, he would have no reason to smile. Governments can’t buy cheap because if there was a recession and a sale, they don’t have the money, but if they had the money, the market would be healthy and goods would be sold with a markup.

Interesting thought and conundrum.

40 deg south

By coincidence, RNZN already operates a (smaller) converted offshore support vessel built in 1979. Now the HMNZS Manawanui, she was originally the Star Perseus, a UK-built oil rig tender. She has spent the past couple of decades largely as a dive support ship for NZ, and has taken over some mine countermeasure roles with the retirement of a larger companion ship, HMNZS Resolution.

http://navy.mil.nz/mtf/manawanui/default.htm

Both Manawanui and Resolution are due to be replaced by a single new all bells-and-whistles ‘Littoral Operations Support Capability’ vessel, currently working its way through the MInDef’s tortuous approval process.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/mil-log/nz-accepts-support-ship-submissions/

Given the NZ gov’t never replaces anything until it is shagged, patched up, re-shagged, reconditioned and re-re-shagged, this is a pretty strong signal that investing any funds in a vessel built in 1979 is a Very Bad Idea.

Looking at the bigger picture, NZ’s experience shows that converted OSVs can play a military role at modest cost.

Brian Black

In this category it’s probably worth mentioning the MV VOS Grace, the UK presence in the Aegean since November.

Chartered by the Home Office and operated by the UK Border Force, it nevertheless embarks a Royal Marine force protection team and Royal Navy/Marine medical team.

Maybe it would be more cost-effective to expand the remit of the Border Force to take on more of this kind of low-risk mission, rather than leaving it to the Navy. As in this case, military, police, or other agency teams can be embarked as appropriate.

The VOS Grace is a 60m emergency response and rescue vessel. One of a batch of four (also Glamour, Glory, & Gorgeous) built in China for the North Sea industry and owned by a Dutch company.

It has a cargo deck of about 1.5 tennis courts (about half a tennis court larger than the cargo deck on the batch 1 Rivers), and presumably carries a RHIB or two for the Marines.

The chartering of this vessel possibly supports the argument for retaining the older Rivers once the new OPV enter service, whether with the Navy or Border Force.

A link to a description of MV VOS Grace:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:3388990/mmsi:235103026/imo:9680542/vessel:VOS_GRACE

Seems just like what TD is describing. The argument against buying a fleet of these ships is actually that they can be spot hired so easily.

The MV VOS Grace is an interesting case. Its a shame they done come with a hangar and some CB90’s on the back then we could just hire as and when we need.

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