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The Other Chris
December 19, 2014 11:07 am

Realistically you’d only ever have had the Royal Navy and the Marina Militare interested at the time (maybe the Marinha do Brasil in hindsight).

Would the RAF have been happy switching their own later tranches to the Naval version in order to reduce the costs for the FAA? The variant wouldn’t have had the likes of the F-35 commonality and customer base to normalise the costs otherwise.

There’s also concerns as to whether the airframe would have lived up to the claims in practice or whether it would have become a modern Seafire.

Not a Boffin
Not a Boffin
December 19, 2014 12:04 pm

That model is incorrect. It doesn’t show the inverse periscope arrangement they looked at to cure the AoA / Fresnel lens LoS issue. Halfwitted idea…..

December 19, 2014 12:18 pm

It rather falls over at the first three words:

“With limited modifications…”

Yeah right!

It is a dead idea.

December 19, 2014 5:13 pm

Couldn’t you put an itsy-bitsy video cam underneath and throw the image onto the glass cockpit display? Can the IRST or targeting pod hardware not be pressed into service?
Speaking from ignorance, so shoot me.

December 19, 2014 5:37 pm

Or buy Rafael from our friends across the other water, they have operated on US carriers and for the time the Charles de Gaulle is at sea they would be glad to lend us both planes,pilots and service crews just to keep their hours up

December 20, 2014 3:49 pm

Pretty happy with what we are getting. This route would have been a disaster like Rafal and would have been canceled long ago.

John Hartley
John Hartley
December 20, 2014 6:33 pm

Well when the were trying to sell the STOBAR Typhoon to India, the plan was to give the engines thrust vectoring so that they could approach the carrier flat & give the pilot a good enough view. We could have made it work if we wanted it enough, but the fact is we have no national will anymore.

Fluffy Thoughts
Fluffy Thoughts
December 21, 2014 9:22 am

Tony Blair is on the payroll. It only cost the English tax-payer £2 billion.

Read t’Economist….

December 21, 2014 10:00 am


not the right place, I know..

By 2020, European defence aviation is going to be in a mess. Apart from whatever European production and maintenance activity we collectively gain from F35 purchases, right now the only other FJ activity of any substance is going to be:

Rafale build in India
Griffen build in Brazil

Its hard to know what we’ll be building on the trainer front in the 2020s (if anything) or on the son of Taranis/Neuron project.

Assuming we don’t want to collectively exit this sector, you have to think of merging and consolidating all the existing businesses into 1 or 2 companies and surely kick of Typhoon/Rafale/Griffin replacement development. If we don’t do this, we will have two options – buy US or Chinese (and that eventually goes for engines, electronics and missiles).

I would argue the same for military ship building and armoured vehicles…

No one European country has sufficient scale to survive on current European demand for military equipment.

Malcolm Featherstone
Malcolm Featherstone
December 21, 2014 11:47 am

A Sea Gripen would be a better bet than a Sea Typhoon……………..and then we could get a whole bunch more to get our FJ numbers up to decent levels…………..Could re-engine with the EJ200