Penny, all a bit sad really

This has been reported in a number of places;

FireShot Capture - Minister Penny Mordaunt staged obscene _ -


I must admit to finding it rather sad to be honest.

Like dads dancing in nightclubs, trendy vicars and officers trying to be one of the lads, some things are just painfully cringe inducing.

No doubt I will be asked how dare I criticise but this just does not feel right to me.

Is there a Royal Navy equivalent to Section 69 of the Queen Regulations for the Army?

See what I did there, ooh aren’t I a naughty boy :)


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Peter Feeney
Peter Feeney
November 30, 2014 8:01 pm

Your restraint does you considerable credit. One might ask whether her leader might question her judgement. And if she can be so easily influenced, whether her Security Clearance might need review.

Ministerial? I think not.

Passes the Service Test – Certainly not! Brings the Services in to disrepute.

Perhaps time for this person to look for another “hobby” – she clearly does not understand the role of the Reserve as foreseen by her Party, their leader; or the dedicate, hard working, loyal, undervalued Reserve itself.

November 30, 2014 8:20 pm

Is it known that she did do it for a bet or just rumour?

November 30, 2014 8:40 pm

I could really explode into a rant about politics and our current ‘leaders’.

But not about this. This is entirely human and frankly if we want real humans in charge rather than useless robots, then this stuff will happen.


November 30, 2014 9:08 pm

As an Army major in my 30’s I’d say good luck to her. It was a bit silly, but other than a few harrumphs from ageing ‘disgusted of Tumbridge Wells’-types, I don’t see people really caring.

Regarding the old Army Act 1955 Section 69 (Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline), a) everything’s unified under the Armed Forces Act 2006, in this case Section 19 replaced Section 69 AA55, and b) Parliamentary debates are protected by parliamentary privilege, so any misguided attempt at appeasing the Daily Mail by internal sanctions would fail at the first hurdle (assuming RN Legal advice were sought – Army commanders would probably jump in feet first, AGAI her, mess it up, then belatedly seek Army Legal Services advice, and then try to cover it all up…)

Ian Hall
Ian Hall
November 30, 2014 9:46 pm

You are a very naughty boy and you will have your bottom spanked by applying to Miss Whiplash at …….

November 30, 2014 10:50 pm

I’d be drop kicking her into the sun. There’s something very unhealthy about an elected MP taking the piss and treating the institution like a ball pit and pissing about like a spotty subaltern. What fucking good is an overweight reservist MP anyway? Can’t see her getting the brown envelope.

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
November 30, 2014 11:30 pm

The Old Man gave me some good advice once. Never make jokes about something you are serious about, because that is like chopping at your own ankles with an axe, and will come back to haunt you. Joke about anything else if it helps, but make sure that the senior person present will not be upset, and that it is actually funny.

December 1, 2014 10:10 am

Surely the obscene gesture by Soubry? junior defense minister on Andrew Marr’s show some weeks ago ais far more a matter of concern. Mimicking finger up sensitive part of Farage’s anatomy with facial expressions!

Nice to see someone with the guts to take the mick – but I agree a bit naughty – Speaker is there to keep order.

As matter of interest you guys are experts on such things.

Reference the ex Army Officer Mitchell –
if a high security site has a vehicle access and a pedestrian access, would there not be an operating instruction to always to leave vehicle gates shut and secured and to use passenger gate wherever possible.

I would have thought that use of the single gate would only have involved one armed constable at gate with another two futher back covering for possible attacking rush.

If vehicle gate used the I would expect to ‘call out the guard’ and have had more personnel ready further back as gate could be rushed by vehicles / and men on foot.. I would also always expect due notice of impending arrival vehicle to allow reception to be set up.

If so the action of pompous puffed up clown with milatary experience to bully constable into breaching instruction was inexcusable.

Also some years ago purple powder was dropped on MP’s in chamber – much to my surprise these public spirited clowns left the chamber before it was confirmed there was no contamination. This was drill in labs 50 years ago when I started work! and certainly formed part of disaster planning I dealt with a few years ago! Does not say much for their understanding of decent behaviour.

ps sorry about spelling !

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
December 1, 2014 1:45 pm

Well I for one enjoyed her Loyal Addresss with its reference to Cock and Ball maintenance, inter alia – it would have been just as good without IMHO. The HoC needs characters and she is one who lightens the mood.

As for a charge, the Army Act used to have the offence of “Scandalous Conduct of an Officer”
Every officer subject to military law who behaves in a scandalous manner, unbecoming the character of an officer and a gentleman, shall, on conviction by court-martial, be cashiered.
A useful bargaining chip for the defence to avoid the risk of imprisonment.

Now we have “Disgraceful conduct of a cruel or indecent kind”

(1) A person subject to service law commits an offence if—

(a)he does an act which is cruel or indecent; and

(b) his doing so is disgraceful.

(2) In this section “act” includes an omission and the reference to the doing of an act is to be read accordingly.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable to any punishment mentioned in the Table in section 164, but any sentence of imprisonment imposed in respect of the offence must not exceed two years.

I suspect the bar on indecent would be higher than saying cock in the House of Commons. Probably aimed at the sort of conduct that occurred in Iraq.

Deja Vu
Deja Vu
December 1, 2014 1:55 pm

Naval Discipline Act 1957 had~-

Cruelty or scandalous conduct by officers.

Every officer subject to this Act who behaves in a scandalous manner unbecoming the character of an officer shall be liable to dismissal from Her Majesty’s service with or without disgrace.

No mention of gentleman!

December 1, 2014 4:44 pm

Doing it for a bet? Whiff of “cash for questions.” Still, people lie there everyday, so much ado about nothing IMO.

December 1, 2014 5:33 pm


Maybe I am old fashioned but it smacks of a lack of judgement and the inability to know when it’s appropriate to do something. You’ve just handed some unwelcome PR to directly to the other side for a start.

The sky is not falling or anything but, she needs to give her head a wobble and treat the institution the people elect with some respect (cue much braying about how big a bunch of bastards MPs are anyway…).

paul g
December 1, 2014 8:21 pm

jolly japes are all well and fine if kept in house if the silly doris hadn’t bragged about it at public function later on then it wouldn’t made the nationals. As for further action it’s shame she’s only reserve as “delete December, insert you” on the duty roster would’ve been sufficient. Every serving and ex serving knows from mid October until the xmas duty list is posted, keep your head down!!!

(I do know a funny story about wet behind the ears newbies trying to bluff a Sgt-Major and finding that out)!!

M Whitlock
M Whitlock
December 2, 2014 11:36 am

Very poor judgement by an elected person, it truly makes one consider if she is an MP for the correct reasons (other than the depth of ones snout in the trough) perhaps her electors will bare it in mind for 2015.