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wf
wf
October 17, 2014 2:32 pm

I’d be a bit cautious. Right now, the pics don’t show them carrying Sidewinders, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t carrying cannon ammunition either :-(

a
a
October 17, 2014 4:12 pm

Comment elsewhere: “Well, that puts paid to our plan to bomb them with F-105s.”

as
as
October 17, 2014 5:37 pm

RAF Typhoons carry the cannon as ballast. They are not trained to use it. I am not shore if the Tornado has the same situation. If the cannons on the Tornados are not in use as well we may not have a stock of 23mm ammunition.

Leadslug
Leadslug
October 17, 2014 6:03 pm

Bet there is an eager bunch of hornet jocks who want to have some fun.

mike
mike
October 17, 2014 7:02 pm

@as

Typhoons have been training to use the cannon in air to ground mode. Though the level of training varies from pilot to pilot.

Tornado’s cannon has been in constant use in Afghanistan.

El Sid
El Sid
October 17, 2014 7:08 pm

They’re in Syria so unlikely to encounter the RAF “officially”.

OTOH two obvious things they could do before meeting their inevitable demise. One would be to have a go at bringing down an airliner – or even passing C-17? The other thing is what they could do if they met up with some of Assad’s chemical weapons – are any of them in a form that could be airdropped? If they’re being trained by Iraqis then they have some experience of using CW against Kurds….

Red Trousers
Red Trousers
October 17, 2014 7:28 pm

Although the news is now public domain, I don’t imagine CENTCOM have not known about this for a while, given Aleppo’s relative closeness to Turkey. It shouldn’t be too hard to tee up an ambush if wanted.

Perhaps a better question might be are 3 ancient jets flown by tyros more useful to the USA as an excuse for further political actions, rather than splattered over the desert?

Challenger
Challenger
October 17, 2014 7:55 pm

RE cannon ammo and Sidewinders:

Reminds me of those stories that cropped up in 2011 during the Libya action of a T23 deploying with (my memory fails me somewhat) something like 4 Seawolf missiles out of the possible 32.

Call it simplistic but i really think whenever any asset deploys away from the UK or a UK friendly base they should be prepared for any eventuality.

Jackstaff
Jackstaff
October 17, 2014 7:59 pm

@RT,

You get a sizable house point for “tyro,” one of those words that sadly has gone out of circulation. Although there is something almost Dickensian about “noob”…

You should have a look (on YouTube) I think, at a snippet of footage from that same region ISIS v Kurds. Some gesticulating ISIS blokes in a captured Iraqi tank (one of the Soviey jobs we didn’t brew up in either war) trundle down a narrowing, rubble lined street with poor visibility and with no support (zero inf, zero recce, zero personal situational awareness) and then some Kurds start ambling out into the street to look it over, totally unconcerned. Then there’s commotion, not because they fear the tank but because they’re warning their oppos to get clear because a couple of Kurdish lads are about to put a Sagger up its jacksey. They then proceed so to do. Baby seals indeed.

a,

That commenter wins a Jammie Dodger and an autographed picture of Lyndon Johnson. :)

Tinman
Tinman
October 18, 2014 11:24 am

@el sid, Conducting a air intercept is not likely or dare i say remotely possible, same for the possible deployment of WMD. Might happen in a Tom Clancy novel but in real world settings unlikely.

Do they have armorers to upload weapons, engineers to maintain airframes, engines, logisticians to ensure parts and more importantly a ground control radar to supply vectors for any intercept?

SG2
SG2
October 19, 2014 6:25 pm

@Tinman, in a single Tom Clancy novel we have had:
– a terrorist using an airliner to fly into a key US building
– mysterious disappearance of a civilian aircraft over open ocean
– the ‘accidental’ shootdown of a passenger airliner flying near a war zone between 2 nations, one of which is a breakaway state from the other
– the formation of a united ‘Islamic State’ spanning two ME countries and intent on conquering another ME nation

“Real world settings unlikely”? We’re living a Tom Clancy, mate. Except in said Tom Clancy the disappeared aircraft and the one accidentally shot down didn’t come from the same airline.

wf
wf
October 19, 2014 9:15 pm

@Tinman: since we are in the middle of a Ebola outbreak and after 9/11, I think we should all shut up about how Tom Clancy is merely fiction which could never come true in reality. With his record, he was a one man open source Red Team.

We all hear way to much about how things are “unthinkable”. Minds only operate properly when open….