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Mark
Mark
April 2, 2014 8:54 pm

Can I say I’m glad you’ve gone back I know you’ve said this is harder work and hopefully a solution can be found. But that dicuss thing was rubbish with the nested comments almost making reading comments impossible on long threads.

Phil
Phil
April 2, 2014 9:01 pm

Glad you’ve gone back I have to admit. I wasn’t getting on with that disqus thing. It was too hard to follow a thread. Now we can all be rude to one another in a nice, linear format.

Mickp
Mickp
April 2, 2014 9:07 pm

From a frequent follower and irregular commenter perspective, I have to admit that disqus was starting to put me off as too difficult to follow threads. Old fashioned is good, hope you can find a way round issues with the old system

ArmChairCivvy
ArmChairCivvy
April 2, 2014 9:15 pm

My eyes tell me that they are resting, by hliding across the comments page (rather than the constant blinking of refreshes, and stopping somewhere in the middle for ten secs, before proceeding to the comment itself… Then going blank and blinking again for another ten secs while reordering the comments part just fetched.
A good move!

Chris
Chris
April 2, 2014 9:16 pm

Thanks TD – perhaps there’s a commenter filter you can add that requires no more than ‘registering’ username and e-mail as a matched pair in a lookup table at TD towers – would that kill off spam? Maybe some of the bright IT bods hereabouts know what would work.

Sorry your spam-shovelling duties have returned, but glad normality has been restored.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
April 2, 2014 9:30 pm

Come back @x, all is returned to normal…

DavidNiven
DavidNiven
April 2, 2014 9:59 pm

I actually liked Disqus, so I’m afraid I can longer stay and add my visits to TD’s site traffic and shall now be making regular comments on ‘The Independent’ where my comments will surely be met with admiration and the title of ‘peoples poet’.

T Wilson
T Wilson
April 2, 2014 10:00 pm

Email me re comments system .

mr.fred
mr.fred
April 2, 2014 10:20 pm

I hate to think that our whinging has ended up giving TD more work, but it is nice to be able to work out what is going on. A shame Disqus wasn’t more flexible and allowed a linear thread.

Challenger
Challenger
April 2, 2014 10:29 pm

Whilst i found Disqus easy to sort out and use i agree with the general consensus that the real problem lay in the difficulty with reading threads coherently because of the structure of nested comments and replies etc, much prefer straight up linear threads with commentators simply stating who a reply is directed towards.

Fair play to give it a go though TD.

Gloomy Northern Boy
Gloomy Northern Boy
April 2, 2014 10:40 pm

@DavidNiven – Don’t go, the Independent don’t deserve you – and I should know, I read the bloody thing at some cost to my blood pressure and have even had a fair few proper letters published in it…I even manage a paragraph or two of YAB about once a month!

GNB

Peter Elliott
April 2, 2014 11:58 pm

(y)

Chris.B.
April 3, 2014 6:01 am

Hurrah for no disqus.

Keith
Keith
April 3, 2014 6:43 am

Good move. I have been wanting to comment for a while, without success.
Keep up the good work.

mike
mike
April 3, 2014 7:13 am

Good move TD, couldn’t help but disslike the idea of something/one else monitoring the comments. Though what!? You listened to the bitching of current/former service personell and observers! Madness!

Though welcomed, I can’t help but feel sorry for ya, with all the trash you have to sift…. and then the spam ;D

There must be an alternative, what about the kind of system Sir.H uses in his blog? Different platform though :/

The Other Chris
April 3, 2014 8:10 am

Looking forward to hearing from @x and @NaB again.

ArmChairCivvy
ArmChairCivvy
April 3, 2014 8:12 am

All that’s missing is
– you highlight thebit of text fhat your comment will be bearing on (if any)
– press quote button, to attach the original author name and time stamp to the quote
– carry on as usual = mostbenefits of nested comments achieved, without the mess of back and forth navigating (whick must be a horrific overhead for the machine resource, too?).

Tom
Tom
April 3, 2014 8:18 am

Thank heavens. Work filters block Disqus, so I haven’t been able to comment.

EDIT: Is there a way to make it easier to sign up and sign into WordPress? When I remember to, it makes comments much easier and quicker.

Ian Skinner
Ian Skinner
April 3, 2014 8:47 am

Thank goodness for that; I couldn’t get it to work

dave haine
dave haine
April 3, 2014 9:07 am

Jeezus!…..I’ve been shouting at disqus for week about accessing my profile through Ipad mini….. just got them to actually think about attempting to look at doing something….maybe….

…….And you change your mind……..

You know this is the problem with defence procurement today- got a plan….change the plan….add to the spec….change the plan….encounter a few teething problems….cancel the project.

….Only joking :)

Thank god (or rather TD) normality has been resumed.

By the way TD, did you know you can get 1/72 models of ISO containers- I’m seriously thinking of getting a few to do a diorama of TD Towers (Complete with Foden IMMC DROPS, and scrim net).

Frenchie
Frenchie
April 3, 2014 9:51 am

Thank you TD, it’s more easy to read like that for me, my English is very poor, and forgiveness to other members for the same thing.

Ant
Ant
April 3, 2014 10:14 am

and mickp
Spot on.
@GNB
You manage a whole paragraph of her?!! As much as once a month? Are you a masochist?
@TD
(Say with fake Austrian accent) “It is verry important to have loose ego boundaries, ya?”

PS Bring back the voting beers and lattes!

Mike Wheatley
Mike Wheatley
April 3, 2014 11:28 am

@ DavidNiven:
I agree

@ GNB:
I agree

@ Chris B:
I disagree

Just tried to read one of the other threads. Couldn’t make head nor tail of the comments, because they are not threaded any more.
:o(

(I like disqus.)

Rocket Banana
April 3, 2014 12:06 pm

TD, thank you, thank you – I was starting to pull my hair out.

Conceptually it was great. In reality it was frustratingly higgledy-piggledy.

x
x
April 3, 2014 12:20 pm

@ GNB

I stopped commenting because I have nothing new to say. it doesn’t matter how much we witter on here nothing will change, and ultimately are arguments are futile. The aggression several here display in their posts supporting their points of view is quite troubling on a number of levels especially as I used to see the site as a distraction not as a place for scholastic combat. Lastly the site’s collective repulsion at even Ixion’s tongue-in-cheek semi-disarmament stance shows that it has no stomach for the radical so beyond the paths well trod. There is not much to be said beyond fantasy fleets and dits .Especially as some here cannot differentiate between thought experiment, imagination, and escapism on the one hand and firmly held beliefs on the other. Weighed against all that therefore I didn’t feel growing my online footprint even further by joining Disqus worth it.

I did find the back and forth over the Battle of Bastion interesting. This site’s hallowed of all hallows the RAF own special ground defence regiment rescued by USMC maintainers and techs. Gotta laugh. But until some here see what that situation tells us about defence situation as whole, well beyond there being three services which really is a minor detail, then commenting here is pointless.

TTFN

x
x
April 3, 2014 12:22 pm

@ TD

CAPTCHA surely would have been easier to implement?

Or Discourse and just lock threads after so long?

Anyway good luck.

Chris
Chris
April 3, 2014 12:37 pm

x – I think many here echo your irritation at being the recipient of disrespectful even vitriolic reposts from some of the more brutal commenters. As the Other Chris noted yesterday sometimes its best to ignore such assaults and only converse with the more reasonable participants.

Anyway. Come on back every now & then and stick comments in, won’t you?

Tedgo
Tedgo
April 3, 2014 12:44 pm

A very simple way of dealing with spam is to ask a question like what is 11 + 15. If the answer entered is not 26, then the comment is not posted. The question can be changed occasionally. So simple to do.

Ace Rimmer
April 3, 2014 12:52 pm

I can comment! Disqus(t) wouldn’t let me use my current email, letters and numbers only apparently…

x
x
April 3, 2014 1:28 pm

@ Chris

We should be allowed our little moments. And we all have different tolerances for different behaviours. And I do have what has been described as a Marmite like personality; as i despise Marmite with the passion of Jesuit i am not sure what to make of that statement. ;) But one or two here really need to have word with themselves about the strength of their beliefs on certain issues.

My main problem with posting here is that my genuine affection for the RN (and all things maritime) sometimes get confused both in my posts and how they are interpreted by others here with my position on UK security, in its broadest sense, which I believe for success needs to be maritime in focus. My bad. But as I have said this place is a diversion. I don’t think I should have to apply the same rigour as I do with an academic paper.

I shall be around. But unless the thread is about a naval topic or small arms and interesting I won’t be commenting. I have already said everything over dozens of times.

WiseApe
April 3, 2014 4:16 pm

I’m sure it would all have gone swimmingly if everyone had just agreed with me.

Are the smilies working again then? :-)

Edit: Hang on – where’s my picture gone – spent ages posing for that!

El Sid
El Sid
April 4, 2014 1:20 am

Long time no post – the whole Disqus episode had passed me by.

@TD – one potent way of combating the spambots without affecting human users is to use the spambots’ need to fill in any form field in sight, against them.

1) Add a field to your comment form called “comment” or “username” or something similar that the spambots expect to fill in.

2)Use the CSS property hidden to hide it from human users.

3)Then you just reject any form submitted with that field filled in (assuming you have access to server-side coding, it’s not very difficult to code).

It’s simple, it is invisible to human users, but it works surprisingly well IME. If you want to get fancier you can start recording IP addresses that fill in the hidden field and start blacklisting them if they do it three times, or whatever.

Chris
Chris
April 4, 2014 7:18 am

x – sadly bad behaviour and bad manners are becoming acceptable tools for gaining advantage in all walks of life. And I don’t know what measures might be deployed to reverse the trend.

ref RN bias – I have a wistful desire to see Pompy harbour crammed with proper battlecruisers with multiple-gun turrets in sets at both ends (pointy and blunt) but know those glory days have gone. If I was in a position to organize a functional Navy (be glad I’m not) I would focus on maybe 40 submarines (SSBN, SSN & SSK) as primary attack/defence, the carriers to provide air cover and many (30?) smaller-than-current-frigate common hulls with rolefit mission bays to do the minesweep/air defence/fishery patrol/coastguard/anti-pirate/wave-the-flag duties. Only because the most effective way to get close without being seen is underwater, and if seen (on the surface) its better to be a small target than a big one. But this is the view of a landlubber of limited contact with the Senior Service so probably invalid. However your seaward bias (Har har, Jim lad!) is I fear misguided; evidently you would benefit from education in The Joy of Tanks (and all other high mobility matt green landlubber fighty vehicles)….

Shackvan
Shackvan
April 4, 2014 10:27 am

A valuable experiment TD ( I can sympathise will all the wasted effort!) but I must say I am happy to see things back as they were. This site is a lunch time staple from my little MOD hovel and our slightly dilapidated IT did not like Disqus at all and flatly refused to display any comments, its nice to be able to see the discussions again.

ArmChairCivvy
ArmChairCivvy
April 4, 2014 8:18 pm

Time to start bitching about the better (the old) system.

Some haphazard functioning in the links from latest comments: some do take you to the comment itself, but some to the beginning of the thread??

Chris
Chris
April 4, 2014 9:21 pm

ACC – this seems to apply if the comment stream is long and the page is split into older comments (first page) and newer comments (subsequent pages) – the link gets to the top of the oldest page of comments and can’t see the one the hyperlink referenced so stops.

But of course now there’s no nested tangle you only need to navigate to the last comments to see what was written most recently, so not so much a problem as with the Disqus version.

Dangerous Dave
Dangerous Dave
April 4, 2014 10:19 pm

I actually quite *liked* the nesting. Allowed direct reply to posts, without having to scroll through long, multi-page, comment lists. *My* problem with Disqus was that I also fill in surveys for YouGov, and my 9DangerousDave tag suddenly got added to my comments there, without my knowledge or permission!! I guess I’m free to delete my Disqus(ting) profile and return to normal, then!