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  • DavidNiven on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@Topman I agree no-one does know the cost, but you just have to look around the world at various industries (including aerospace) to see that modularity is common practice due to cost and flexibility/utility. I understand that nothing in this world is cheap or as simple as first appears but...
  • Think Defence on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyTopman, the point I was making was that it should form part of an option assessment, no more than that
  • Topman on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyI think it's correct no-one knows how much it would cost, but I don't think you can beret one person for suggesting it will cost a large sum of money and then at the same time support the program for being cost effective based on the same (none) information.
  • Red Trousers on What Time Is It?Giant Viper as early as 1956? I remember it in the late 80s in BATUS, always a bit of a nervous moment as you wondered if it would fly in the correct direction. Is it still in service?
  • Topman on Time Lapse of HMS Monmouth being floated out of Devonport DockTalking of accomodation deprevation, on a trail we once had to spend an entire night in a downmarket chain hotel, not only that we had to actually share rooms! Nearly a mutiny I can tell you.* But would the pongos and fisheads of today believe you ? Noooo. * For...
  • The Other Chris on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@monkey Torpedo's normally require a heated bay to transit at high altitude.
  • The Other Chris on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyOr, if we're going American, just go for a purpose designed MPA and buy some P-8's. Right. Now that's settled. Supplemental MSA capability next? Can we co-opt the entire fleet of Sentinel's or do we need some more? ;)
  • Peter Elliott on Open Thread – October 2014Cute looking craft. Not sure it would fill much of a role for the RN however. For better or worse we have sold ourselves down the line of Carrier Task Groups supported by large, long range, long endurance Combat Ships. Presence and other tasks will increasingly get delegated to less...
  • monkey on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyEADS developed the C295 MPA as a ro ro and also the dedicated C295 AEW , I cannot find any specifics anywhere in googleland that they are again unilaterally developing a much longer legs versions of the same for the A400M but I can imagine it has crossed their minds....
  • The Other Chris on Open Thread – October 2014DCNS concept design for a replacement to the Combattante corvette: http://defense-update.com/20141029_csword90.html#.VFNOzvnkdCg Cruiser stern and ram prow?
  • DavidNiven on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@APATS 'A huge assumption based on what, the fact i dare disagree with you?' Not at all, it's based on the way you disagree. You over inflate certain aspects of arguments with no proof so as to deter further discussion because you have made up your mind. This is probably...
  • Topman on Open Thread – October 2014I think the Indians are a little more insightful than you give them credit. The IAF will know full well the trials and tribulations of politicians and government procurement. It's not ideal but it's not a show stopper. Indian politics being what it is, I wouldn't quite laugh at Fallon's...
  • Peter Elliott on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyThe calculus might change if we get to the point where we can pick up 'nearly new' A400M from bankrupt European partners for fire-sale prices. But we aren't there yet and may not ever be.
  • Think Defence on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyAPATS the way I look at this is... 1. I have an open mind because I recognise I (and for that matter all of us) do not have a grasp of the actual capital and through life costs of a) a P8 b) an A400 and c) any of the...
  • Peter Elliott on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyHave to agree with much of the cold water above I'm afraid. Despite the attractions of A400 for range and payload the following are show-stoppers: 1. The cost of the basic airframe is as high as the specialist platforms. So _any_ adddtional cost for pimping it will kill the business...
  • Simon on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyWith regard to the "strike" capability of A400M: why use a $190m aircraft when you can get an entire squadron of MQ9 for the same price? That's a lot more loiter for your money. Rapid response = tankered Typhoon (currently Tornado) Follow up persistence = MQ9 with P4 and Brimstone...
  • Think Defence on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyWelcome to TD NG, thanks for the correction, post updated
  • Jules on Open Thread – October 2014@Observer Or perhaps expand? Like an Aerostat, oh hot air, oh damn oops! Sorry RT...
  • NG on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky" USAF National Guard" usually its (state) Air Guard or (state) Air National Guard or just Air Guard. also i will agree that development cost for MPA for a400m is likely to offset the cost of just buying P-8. After you get the P-8 why not intergrate new systems and...
  • mickp on Roll on Roll Off in the SkyMy view is no to anything that involves any major development. MPA - a dedicated fleet of C295s covering UK EEZ and a flight in FI, with additional variants replacing C130s for SF and anything else it can. Establish a core capability with sufficient airframes to provide proper coverage in...
  • All Politicians are the Same on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@DN "No it is’nt, it’s an attack on linear and arrogant leadership." That you assume I represent and that existed in Afghanistan and Iraq. A huge assumption based on what, the fact i dare disagree with you? Well there it is then, we are not talking about naval warfare we...
  • DavidNiven on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@APATS 'Your almost shy' In what sense was it shy? 'attack on me is actually an attack on pretty much anyone that served in Iraq or Afghanistan' No it is'nt, it's an attack on linear and arrogant leadership. 'learning what we are talking about in terms of naval warfare' Well...
  • All Politicians are the Same on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@DN "Is a modular A400M an acceptable MPA solution based on cost, capability and risk, from what we have seen here the answer is a resounding no.’ And how do know that? you have no more information on cost than anyone else" Well I look at a bog standard A400...
  • DavidNiven on Roll on Roll Off in the Sky@APATS 'Is a modular A400M an acceptable MPA solution based on cost, capability and risk, from what we have seen here the answer is a resounding no.' And how do know that? you have no more information on cost than anyone else. 'There is zero evidence it can be done...
  • All Politicians are the Same on Time Lapse of HMS Monmouth being floated out of Devonport Dock@tweckyspat I am guessing the difference is to account for Fleet and Non fleet time. So for deeper maintenance periods an asset actually leaves "Fleet Time". Refit or as it is sometimes "rebuilding" :) a ship is slightly different from swapping out a few armoured vehicles so the hull leaves...

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