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  • mickp on Type 31 Frigate Capabilities@Don "Is an off the shelf foreign purchase of 3-4 AIP SSK/SSP to improve sub numbers , availability , capability , morale , and asw role/deterrent worth considering ?" Yes it i worth considering in my view in the whole pot of whether we even need T31 or if we...
  • Don on Type 31 Frigate CapabilitiesWith Type31 looking like it will have very little ASW role and the Successor Trident now approved it seems the Astute run will finish and SSBN will take over sub production capacity. Is an off the shelf foreign purchase of 3-4 AIP SSK/SSP to improve sub numbers , availability ,...
  • Hannay on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime Patrol@apats All of those limitations combine. Lack of personnel on board means that you can't do the air battle management role that Sentry spends most of its time doing. Could invest in automation or offboarding but these aren't cheap and place further limitations and vulnerabilities on the system. An AESA...
  • Mark on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime PatrolPE At a guess i would of thought something in and around 20K feet would be it altitude ceiling. You could even put these on a type 26/45 flight deck. The manned unmanned teaming is coming quickly across all air domains.
  • Peter Elliott on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime PatrolUseful looking gadget. You'd think we should eventually be in the market for something similar. Maybe part of a manned/unmanned mix for the eventual HM2 replacement. Its not stated how high it could go which would be a factor for using it as part of the AEW mix.
  • Mark on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime Patrolhttp://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-09-22/bell-unveils-vigilant-unmanned-tiltrotor-us-marine-corps Bell has designed the Vigilant to meet a need expressed in the 2016 Marine Aviation Plan for a large, “sea-baseable” unmanned aircraft system (UAS) capable of performing multiple missions. It would be a Group 5 UAS—weighing 16,000 pounds empty, with the ability to carry 13,000 pounds in fuel, weapons...
  • Peter Elliott on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime PatrolGood job we didn't scrap them after all then :)
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)Pacman - let's not degenerate into crayoning or we shall all be sent back to the naughty step ;)
  • Pacman27 on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)@PE I would agree to build at a higher tempo and essentially look to build 3 escort types each of 12 ships 1. T26 - UK version of Burke - replace T45 over time (£750m each) 2. T31 - ASW variant - (£400m each) 3. T31 - GPF variant -...
  • Mark on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime PatrolSentinel importance as the only other nato jstars capability just grew in importance. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/four-jstars-grounded-for-inspection-429666/ a quarter of the US Air Force’s of E-8C JSTARS aircraft has been grounded for inspection after water damage caused $2.5 million in damages to the type's ground surveillance radar.
  • Pacman27 on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)I am on a believe the UK MOD should have a 25 year military shipbuilding plan covering 4 general classifications. War fighting - 2 per annum - supporting a standing fleet of 36 escorts. Submarines - 0.6 per annum supporting a fleet of 14 subs Small ships - 24 per...
  • Challenger on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)@Peter Elliot I think most would agree that whilst the size and shape of the shipbuilding plan is up for debate it is pretty clear that the combination of stretching vessels service life's out to 30-35 years, only designing a new class every 10-15 years and then building smallish runs...
  • Shades on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)While on the topic, I'd like to add my thanks to the more experienced posters for taking the time to respond to newbie and civvy queries. I have to agree with Deja Vu, your comments really add to the all round excellence of this site. Not to mention, of course,...
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)Challenger - agreed. Crudely put the "Peter Elliott National Ship Building Strategy" would involve ramping up the T26/T31 build schedules 2 ships per year. That spits out 20 ships in the period 2020 - 2030 for the same purchase cost we are currently planning to spend on 10. Scrap the...
  • ALF ALFA on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)@ PE many thanks for the elaboration. I should perhaps try Wikipedia more often, but i have a deep mistrust of the website ever since i looked up Leeds United and saw my best friend was the leading goal scorer.
  • Deja Vu on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)NAB & PE Just want to say thank you for your posts a pleasure to read. I read the Endurance report when TD linked it. If I remember correctly part of the problem was the system of rolling leave which meant key personnel were away from the ship at the...
  • Challenger on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)@Peter Elliot Absolutely. Spending money on older ships because of program delays or inaction is one problem. Another is that program reductions give planners a free pass to scrap vessels earlier than expected because they are no longer waiting for a direct replacement. Nottingham was supposed to stay in active...
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)Challenger - such decisions are a direct consequence of the 1990s failed Frigate programmes and the time taken to debug T45 once it did finally arrive. If we had had new AAW ships coming into service in the early 2000s, overlapping with the class they would eventually replace, then Nottingham...
  • Challenger on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)RE: HMS Nottingham £39m on repairs in 2004, then put into extended readiness in 2008 and scrapped in 2010.
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)And HMS Endurance: In December 2008, while on an 18-month deployment, Endurance suffered extensive flooding to her machinery spaces and lower accommodation decks resulting in the near loss of the ship. A serious engine room flood left her without power or propulsion,and she was towed to Punta Arenas by a...
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)The incidents aluded to for anyone interested. First HMS Nottingham: On 7 July 2002, Nottingham ran aground on the submerged but well-charted Wolf Rock near Lord Howe Island, 370 miles (600 km) off the coast of Australia. A 160 feet (49 m) hole was torn down the side of the...
  • Simon on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)Peter and NaB, I didn't ask if one would want to sidestep them. I asked if they can. So the answers are "MOD NAG" and "yes". Thank you.
  • Peter Elliott on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)Alf - Quick definitions trawled from the internet below. Wikipedia is replete with further reading Class Socs – Classification Societies A non-governmental organization that establishes and maintains technical standards for the construction and operation of ships and offshore structures. The society will also validate that construction is according to these...
  • ALF ALFA on HL1595 – RFA Diligence (Answered)NAB Thanks for the succinct detail of why these standards are so important. As a novice in most things naval but with more than a passing interest his is exactly the sort of information that i find fascinating and why i enjoy this website so much. However, one thing that...
  • Mark on A Cheeky Thought on Maritime PatrolWith sentinel proving very useful and efficient on the global platform along with the sigint, mpa, aew bacn option on the platform and now the usaf proposing moving compass call onto a similar biz jet platform. We should perhaps being looking at commonising on this type of plaform. The erieye...

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