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  • ArmChairCivvy on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianThat's why they are a combat arm, and arty is not. Should call the AAC Rgmnts AirCavalry... but the Americans used that designator for something else in the Vietnam era.
  • Obsvr on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianThe reason that AH offer excellent value for money is their ability to move very quickly from one area to another, whether to help exploit an opportunity or to reinforce against enemy success. This is coupled with their capability to engage moving targets with precision munitions, something that the mobile...
  • P on Whatever happened to elevating sensor masts?google coyote recce vehicle or LAV 2 coyote. It has been in use (with a mast) by the Canadians since the mid-90s and it's replacement will also have a mast. It appears to be very effective. It can acquire (day/night) at 12-15km and identify at 8-10 km. It also has...
  • Gloomy Northern Boy on Ship to Shore Logistics – PROJECT COMPLETE...the Michaelmas Term always starts with a new reading list...please don't start any rows about politics, foreign policy or unfolding word events for at least a fortnight..! "Flip-Flop" Gloomy
  • Hohum on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianRon, The $20 million figure is bullshit. FY15 reported flyaway cost for a remanufactured Apache is approx $25 million and new-build in FY14 was $35.5 million. And that doesn't get you any spares or support etc.
  • The Other Chris on UK AH-64E Apache Guardian@Ron They probably did, but did that figure include comprehensive through life support in an overall FMS program?
  • Fedaykin on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianAs already pointed out there are other better ways of helping Augusta Westland by buying more of what they currently build. The AH-64E pretty much does all the stuff that made the WAH64D unique with its upgraded defensive aids and more powerful engines. The RTM322 01/12 fitted to the WAH64D...
  • WiseApe on Open Thread 28They'll not catch him this time: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/flight-lieutenant-paul-royle-pilot-who-became-one-of--the-76-escapees-in-the-breakout-immortalised-on-film-as-the-great-escape-10477808.html
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianGot me good there! In my defense, 'twas not I that started the STOVL debate again. But I'll shut up about that, all water under the bridge. A couple of defense blogs say that Boeing offered brand new build AH-64E (not rebuilds) for less than $20 mill a pop. Hard...
  • The Other Chris on Ship to Shore Logistics – PROJECT COMPLETESeriously epic. About to go through a second read to let it all sink in!
  • Hohum on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianI agree with APATS. CVF design largely occurred when EMALS (and other bits) was very immature- difficult to design for something that doesn't have a finalised form yet. I find it amusing that someone who called discussing Lynx as an ASW helicopter pointless insists on dragging up the carrier debate...
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianJust postulating and based on my experience here not there but sometimes it goes like: party A (say the RAF) wants a change and party B (say the RN) doesn't but doesn't want yet another argument, says sure, go for it, if you can get the party C, the purse...
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianOld Pal connected to the design office so not quotable and he didn't use the words I used. He also said the ability to convert wasn't in the (long) list of MoD contractual requirements. So (my words) hardly surprising it wasn't there when they supposedly wanted it again. I say...
  • Peter Elliott on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianI think Ron may be referring to the 2007 "optimisation" of the design for STOVL which AIUI reduced the length of the ships by around 20m? Presumably if the pre-2007 dimensions had survivied until 2010-12 then the costs for conversion _might_ have come in somewhat lower becuase there would have...
  • The Other Chris on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianAnd the Defence Committee questioning on what happened turned into a bit of an embarrassing damp squib...
  • All Politicians are the Same on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianSource? Or credibility? NAB who is obviously very internal and informed says so and I in a short 6 month job heard exactly the same for Aircraft Carrier Alliance in meetings. It was assumed it would be easier to convert than it was but the specs for conversion were not...
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianSorry but no.
  • All Politicians are the Same on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianSorry but it was not eliminated, it was assumed it still existed.
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache Guardian"It ended up VSTOl as we made daft assumptions about the ability to convert to conventional ops in terms of maturity of the design in terms of conversion (it was not accounted for to the level that was assumed) and also the maturity of the Em cats" No. The ability...
  • The Other Chris on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianYeovil are putting together AW189's amongst other work, Bristow receiving the first lots I think.
  • Ron on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianHow much does a dipping sonar, couple of sting rays, sonar buos, processing kit, consoles, periscope detecting radar, operators & enough endurance to make it all worth while, weigh? I'll wager a darn sight more than a Lynx can carry. This is one of the more pointless debates I've seen...
  • Challenger on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianIs the UK arm of AW actually building anything at the moment aside from finishing up the Wildcat order? From what i can gather the most successful elements for their current product range like the AW109/39/49/89 etc all seem to be built by the Augusta side of things.
  • All Politicians are the Same on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianThe South Koreans are definitely a Blue Water navy. Brasil does as well. what is driving the move to larger helos is nothing to do with ASW helicopters but the move to single utility helos that can operate as land based and seas based assets, the 10 tonne mark is...
  • Simon on UK AH-64E Apache GuardianAPATS, Just curious but is there a blue-water navy that operates a Wildcat sized aircraft as their only ASW copter? There are certainly a few navies but I seem to find most larger navies end up at the ten-tonne mark in order to get the endurance and payload. Any idea...

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