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  • DavidNiven on The Russians are ComingChris Do we have a fully designed 200kt warhead waiting to be perched on the top of a trident? plus the 20 tactical nukes that would need to be re manufactured We.177 or probably completely new so as to fit in the F35 bomb bay with new 40Kt warheads (if...
  • Chris on The Russians are ComingDN - an interesting question, that one. The 'cost' of a warhead presumably includes all the R&D effort, integration effort, raw materials, manufacturing costs, transport costs, maintenance costs and storage costs amortised over the number of units maintained? So would a 200kt device be more expensive than a 100kt device...
  • DavidNiven on Type 26 Frigate ExportsShould we seriously consider a class of vessels such as the French La Fayette and Floreal class to complement a core fleet of the high end escorts and maybe get some export orders from these vessels and build full fat for the Navy only to use in a task group...
  • DavidNiven on The Russians are Coming'That’s why I advocate 192 x 200kt (+20 x 40kt tactical) as a minimum UK deterrent.' Money?
  • ArmChairCivvy on Type 26 Frigate ExportsOverseas, The Fisheries Protection Sqdrn has been a way to protect (and train) RN manpower, another Ministry standing for the ships operating costs. That they were bought outright so late in their lives (from a serviced lease agreement) points to an intention to sell?
  • John Hartley on The Russians are ComingAPATS What is the point of a deterrent that no longer deters? It has to be powerful/ghastly to do its job. There are plenty of towns/cities in Siberia for Czar Putin & his merry men to move to. I would not put it past him to sacrifice some of his...
  • John Hartley on Type 26 Frigate ExportsI would still love to see 6 of the proposed AAW version of the T26 in RN service. A second variant gives more choice to export customers. Is taking kit out to make it cheaper for export customers, a devious way of downgrading RN frigates while dodging the blame?
  • All Politicians are the Same on The Russians are Coming@JH "140 x 100kt, does not even glass half of Russia this side of the Urals, let alone the vast wilderness the other side. That’s why I advocate 192 x 200kt (+20 x 40kt tactical) as a minimum UK deterrent. Did I read somewhere that Meteor should start to boost...
  • Engineer Tom on Type 26 Frigate ExportsHow would nationalising the shipyard save money, at least with a private company they have a chance (if they figure out how to write a decent contract) to offload some of the risk. What they need to do is figure out how to work with BAE and the other companies...
  • John Hartley on The Russians are Coming140 x 100kt, does not even glass half of Russia this side of the Urals, let alone the vast wilderness the other side. That's why I advocate 192 x 200kt (+20 x 40kt tactical) as a minimum UK deterrent. Did I read somewhere that Meteor should start to boost UK...
  • Martin on The Russians are Coming@ TAS - would not be the first time the FSB has had people on here. That being said we may as well turn a few spitfires out from the aircraft museum to shoot down what the Russians can send to the UK.
  • Overseas on Type 26 Frigate Exports@Repulse, Challenger Another thread and another poster found a report saying that the three new OPV's will replace the existing Batch 1 River class. @All Will the reduction in escort vessels allow them to be fully crewed? Anyone have any idea on the manning capabilities of the RN?
  • Simon on Type 26 Frigate ExportsChallenger, BAE and the banks. They've thrown masses of money at the fat-cat bankers to make them even fatter. I get you though, if it's a minimum then it's probably sensible for that minimum to be around 12 frigate type ships.
  • Challenger on Type 26 Frigate Exports@TAS Absolutely, i really wouldn't be surprised at this point to see the retention of the new OPV's strenuously promoted during SDSR 2015 as a boost in ship numbers and capability for the hard worked RN whilst at the same time T26 will see an order for 8 ships with...
  • TAS on The Russians are ComingIs it me or was Tim UK really Timski? Strange question to ask and then vanish... Perhaps a reminder that we ought to be careful with insider snippets on a public forum.
  • Simon on Type 26 Frigate Exports25 years at one ship every two years is 12.5 complex warships for the entire fleet. Is he suggesting that aircraft carriers and landing ships are not complex? If not, why do they take so long to build and cost so much money?
  • TAS on Type 26 Frigate ExportsChallenger, after so many years of clamouring for OPVs that we only need in fantastical parallel realities, it's a case of 'be careful what you wish for'. Looks like we're about to get it.
  • Shark Bait on Type 26 Frigate ExportsI think the T26 really needs to be focused on export. Their is serious money to be saved, and made in the frigate space right now. Militaries around the words are looking at acquiring 30 new frigates so there is a lot of potential out there. If BAE are only...
  • Challenger on Type 26 Frigate Exports@Repulse It's so tragic it could almost be funny that after years of people clamoring for more cheap, low-end patrol vessels the RN could finally get some but that are inadequate for anything other than the simplest OPV role AND almost certainly offered in place of some much needed high-end...
  • Martin on Type 26 Frigate Exports@ repulse - what's even more depressing is that this announcement is being held as a good thing. Obviously no one in the press has enough of a clue to pull the Chancellor up on this.
  • Mickp on Open Thread – 2015 Week 05@Mcz, the basic Khareef sans weapons is just a stretched version of BAEs OPV family with a helo hanger. That would have covered what could be perceived as the new OPVs main weakness being lack of helo. I am happy with the new OPVs currently being ordered but the 99m...
  • Mickp on Open Thread – 2015 Week 05On the weird mini LPD point, my thoughts were along lines I think Repulse has suggested. I am not proposing abandoning large LPDs, just maintaining that capability in the RFA with Bays or 3 future Bay replacements. I think the DPAs and SPRs should if they haven't already restructure the...
  • Chris on FUCHS CBRN Vehicle RegenerationOn a related subject, I just found this picture of equipment abandoned in Pripyat after being highly irradiated by the immediate aftermath of the Chernobyl reactor explosion: http://www.gsc-game.com/russian/downloads/chern/kladbishe01.jpg I'm guessing the Army vehicles were rushed in to keep order and control the evacuation; the helicopters were those that flew water...
  • Topman on The USB Type CIt was a while ago, but I think it performed both functions.
  • Repulse on Type 26 Frigate Exports@Martin: "Mr Osborne said: “Asked @DefenceHQ to look at potential to build a new complex warship every 2 years – ­renewing @royalnavy fleet every 25 years.”"... Interesting statement, based on the fact that he did not want to be drawn on an announcement on how many T26s would be ordered....

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