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  • Think Defence on Thoughts on the FutureI thought we were talking about amphibious stuff :)
  • Simon on Thoughts on the FutureMark, Or an armed one of these... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Sir_Galahad_(1987) ...similar size to your San Giusto as it happens. Both of which I think are of more utility than an Absalon.
  • JohnHartley on Thoughts on the FutureMay 2008 Warships IFR had an item on the Dutch Royal Schelde Enforcer 13000. Basically a stealthy Bay class with a forward gun , 40 to 76mm. Scalable from 11000 to 17000 tons.
  • Hohum on Thoughts on the FutureThe RN needs the grand total of about one MCM mothership (two at most) and its something that can be relatively easily adapted from existing platforms. It would be an utter waste to try and shoehorn yet another role into the slow-motion car crash that is the Type 31.
  • Mark on Thoughts on the FutureSimon Maybe these for your type 31 idea. https://www.fincantieri.com/en/products-and-services/naval-vessels/enhanced-san-giusto-class/
  • Repulse on Thoughts on the Future@Hohum: "I would add. The UK amphibious force may have decline in some respects from its heyday in the late 1990s early 2000s but it still has a depth far beyond that present in the sort of countries who might be interested in an Absalon." I would agree with this...
  • Wishful thinker on Thoughts on the FutureThink an 'Absalon' type ship would be the best design for the 5 type 31's to stay on patrol for extended periods inc being mcm mothership, the modular weapons means could be bought without the expensive missiles fitted to all but capability would be there
  • Repulse on Thoughts on the Future@Simon: "I can’t see us ever landing heavy equipment over a hostile shore again, but I can see tanks rolling off the back of a ship into a port. I can also see a need to put large numbers of well equiped (and supported) troops ashore which makes me wonder...
  • Hohum on Thoughts on the FutureOcean's demise is dues to her manpower being required for the QE class combined with the ability of that class to undertake her aviation role. Her disappearance has nothing to do with the politics of "flattops", whatever that actually is. Prior to 2010 (the process may have ended before that)...
  • Simon on Thoughts on the FutureMark, Agreed. By having both carriers I doubt amphibiosity is affordable in anything other than a cursory way. I can't see us ever landing heavy equipment over a hostile shore again, but I can see tanks rolling off the back of a ship into a port. I can also see...
  • JohnHartley on The Case for Low Cost AirpowerBAE developed for the Indians a light strike demo Hawk. I think it was more agile than standard, with all the latest RAF weapons (Paveway IV, Brimstone, Asraam). Then Indian politics turned against it. If you want a light combat Hawk, look at that.
  • ngatimozart on Think Defence – The Story So FarGreat work and I too doff my hat. Yes, I would be interested in pdfs as well.
  • Mick on Thoughts on the FutureRealistically the RN will no longer have the capability to defend 2 task groups in a medium threat environment due to a lack of escorts. Therefore the carrier (which they will need to support a landing) will need to be under the same defensive umbrella as the amphibious vessels. Not...
  • Mark on Thoughts on the FutureSimon There in lies the rub either by design that those in charge don't really want to admit to or, by the cold hard reality of budget and our ego writing cheques are bodies can't cash, we choose carrier strike in its purest form over brigade amphibious operations. There was...
  • WiseApe on The Case for Low Cost AirpowerDo we even still have any Aden gun pods or would it just be a couple of ....hang on, do we still have any Sidewinders? Were the Hawk T1As ever cleared for ASRAAM? Looking like a complete nonstarter to me.
  • Simon on Thoughts on the FutureIf we were going to try and maintain a brigade marine capability then perhaps six 20,000 tonne LSD/LPD are the ticket. 2 LCU abreast means we don't need ro-ro and can still fit in a USMC LCAC 2 LCVP on davits 2 spots (might even squeeze three) 2 UH and...
  • The Other Chris on Thoughts on the FutureAn academic aside: The historical Esbern Snare was the brother of Absalon :)
  • Mark on The Case for Low Cost AirpowerNot sure why we would need hawks for light attack when we have reaper. If by sovereignty patrol you mean QRA, they can't it requires supersonic performance. Hawk can do point defence of a Airfield or a High value target near where it's flying from but not a lot else....
  • wf on Thoughts on the Future@TD: I'm afraid I don't see the point of proposal 1, for two reasons. - It doesn't solve the problem: what happens if we need an amphibious force and 3PARA is at readiness? And we will effectively end up losing both our parachute (such as it is!) and amphibious corporate...
  • David Flandry on The Case for Low Cost AirpowerI always thought the RAF should have a squadron or two of specialized Hawks, stripped of training equipment, optimized for combat as light attack or even sovereignty patrol. Seems like it would have a decent export market.
  • don on Thoughts on the FutureIf the funds were available then consideration could be given to having two Juan Carlos l and four Bay type ships . HMS Ocean, HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark being replaced by two Jan Carlos l and one Bay type ship. This hopefully should give roughly similar amphibiosity capacity with...
  • DavidNiven on Thoughts on the Future'I hate being so curt, but I’d wind your neck in. This isn’t a debate you’re going to win especially when you’re being told by those who know better.' Why should he wind his neck in, in what way were the comments offensive? Pacman is debating a concept he has...
  • Repulse on Thoughts on the Future@NaB: "Can’t quite work out why there ought to be any political issues with a “flattop” to replace the LPD/LPH capability down the line either. Once people have relearned what CS is all about – as opposed to endless whinging about the size of QEC – it won’t be an...
  • Mark on The Type 31 General Purpose FrigateTON Yeah it's like type 26 another boat missed we've been talking about it and the French just went and designed built and commissioned fremm asw frigates even sold a few overseas. I think it's time we stopped kidding ourselves and just closed down uk surface ships design and build...
  • The Other Nick on The Type 31 General Purpose FrigateIn the dying days of President Francoise Hollande regime the French MOD have placed contract for five FTI / Belharra class Frigates with state owned DCNS company, an eqivalant of the mythical MOD/RN Type 31. 4,250 tons, 125 crew, overall length of 122.25 m and a beam of 17.7 m.,...

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