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  • Obsvr on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51I remember watching a contingent from one of the US Abn Divs jumping near Hanover, having taken off from the US, as part of a UK major FTX. There was a stream of C141 Starlifters flying fairly low. I remember thinking that I now know what a PVO wet dream...
  • emailittome on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Week@cky7 - TheOtherChris is a big boy, he doesn't need you to come to his defense. Don't worry about how I write, it's a free country, you can be offended, I don't have to temper how I write to appease you. @TheOtherChris - Let's stop perpetuating this ridicules notion that...
  • cky7 on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekSharkbait, I've no idea if it could take off from a QE without cats/traps, had assumed no but don't know enough to say for definite. When you look at the operating cost though it really makes a case for using it in other roles even if it can't. Would also...
  • cky7 on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51I've been reading up on the japanese self defence forces and am amazed by how much they have for about the same overall defence spend as us but with that they have: - a larger army - 170k active personnel, more MBTs, armoured vehicles etc. More helicopters of all types....
  • shark bait on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Week@cky, thats why I suggested it, perhaps with 300m and a ski jump it could make it, but I don't know. Landing maybe with a head wind and a drouge? I completely agree, it would suffice, particularly in the Iraq campaign atm, it could fit fine (And cheaply). As a...
  • Challenger on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51@as Para drops over well defended targets aren't the best way to achieve your objectives, so most scenario's would dictate a drop somewhere else a bit quieter. My question is if any plan for aerial insertion involves finding a relatively undefended place to do it in then what does throwing...
  • cky7 on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekSharkbait, Personally i'd love to see the Hawk upgraded and used in few other roles than training (there are several that have been mentioned here in the past), it would suffice for the majority of situations we've been in over the last 25 years. But in this instance wouldn't the...
  • Red Trousers on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekWhat is bonkers is to think that we need the sodding boats at all.
  • Think Defence on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekJust to interject on the whole COD thing http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2013/05/heavy-ras-royal-navy/
  • Jules on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51Canada has the right idea... http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa-to-buy-5th-c-17-aircraft-1.2155642
  • shark bait on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekSince a lot of the discussion has been about AEW capability what about a BAE hawk? The US navy operate a variant after all. Personally I agree with challenger, I think the planned capability will suffice. That being said, I do advocate using the hawk for more than training, load...
  • The Other Chris on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Week@emailittome You're the one suggesting lugging around a half billion dollars worth of engine and lift fan systems across two carriers in less than ideal storage and maintenance conditions. Currently the UK has no COD requirement (in a C-2 sense) at all. At least announced publicly. Should one be added...
  • cky7 on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Weekemailittome, Where do you get off speaking that way? He's making a suggestion in a thread entitled 'bonkers carrier QOTW', which to most would encourage outside the box thinking. Whats the harm in asking the question? As it happens IIRC the USN have that requirement from their COD birds and...
  • Emailittome on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekWhy is delivering F135 engine is a requirement? Take five with you. @the other Chris, please explained why this is a requirement if the ship has the room to take additional engines? Are there real reasons or are you just repeating what you read? What logistical reasons would there be?...
  • Fedaykin on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Week@Kent 1) No it isn't cheap but taken as a whole it would be cheaper than your Bronco idea. The vanilla Bronco has the same service ceiling as the MV-22 without all the electronics you are proposing. Once the electronics are on plus fully loaded up with fuel it is...
  • as on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51We have talked on here quite a few times about the RAF getting extra C17s to bring the numbers up to say 12 rather then the 8 we currently have. They were bought to fly strategic missions and they are very good at that but should we also be training...
  • Mark on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51The chief of defence staffs Christmas lecture at rusi https://www.rusi.org/events/ref:E545211393622E#.VJSIxYA4N- Between the threats that really matter, as opposed to the ones which simply have the potential to make unfortunate headlines, lay the potential to mis-spend huge amounts of money. So Defence has to know what the government’s appetite for risk...
  • S O on 60mm MortarAmerican NIJ level IV and German SK IV were specified to resist 7.62 mm long AP cartridges. Multi-hit resistance is unpredictable due to brittleness (cracking) of the plates. The blunt trauma (including possibly broken ribs or broken spine) is allowed to have up to 20 mm depth IIRC. 7.62 long...
  • as on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Weekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPQHV83Q9uI
  • Observer on 60mm MortarKent, interesting and highlights one of the problems I can see an army facing in the future. If any enemy you shoot can get up again, or worse, just stay down and return fire, life is going to get a bit more interesting. You don't ever want to be in...
  • Challenger on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekWith a potential 50 year life-span who the heck know's what kind of air-group and set of capabilities they could be operating by the end of their service life's. UCAV's for long-range strike/bomb-truck stuff as well as over-watch? Tilt-rotor's for troop-carrying, AEW, ASW, COD, general utility and light surface strike...
  • Kent on Bonkers Carrier Question of the WeekOne more thing: The pilot of this Bronco did landings and takeoffs from the USS Saratoga AND the USS Nassau (LHA-4). The LHA doesn't have an angled flight deck either, and I'm certain it doesn't have the deck space of the QE/PoW. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OV-10D_CV-60_1985.jpeg
  • Kent on Bonkers Carrier Question of the Week@Fedaykin - 1. Good luck with the inexpensive CV/MV-22B. The CV/MV-22B and the Bronco have the exact same service ceiling: 25,000 feet. Service ceiling on the Merlin is 15,000 feet. 2. Who is going to train your CV-22 pilots? Talk about a "unique type." 3. Hardly bags of range with...
  • The Other Nick on Open Thread – 2014 Week 51@TOC I would have thought the SSC will not use the Sea Ceptor CAMM(M) , if they want the SSC to have an longer range AAM they have the option in the Seasparrow as used by 10 nations. The ESSM Block II version should be available in 2020 which will...
  • monkey on Navalised TyphoonOr buy Rafael from our friends across the other water, they have operated on US carriers and for the time the Charles de Gaulle is at sea they would be glad to lend us both planes,pilots and service crews just to keep their hours up

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