Policy paper: 2015 to 2020 government policy: Military Aid to the Civil Authorities for activities in the UK

The support of the armed forces to civil authorities in the UK is officially termed Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA). This paper shows the policy of the 2015 to 2020 Conservative government.

Find out about the current government’s policies.

from Ministry of Defence – Activity on GOV.UK http://ift.tt/2aSRGAL

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HMArmedForcesReview

FYI Commander Home Command used to be Commander Personnel Support Command which used to be…Adjutant General.

Naming aside, the paper indicates that a three star will be in charge of Military Aid to Civil Authorities.

HMArmedForcesReview

No one else commenting?

JohnHartley

HMAFR. OK, I will bite.
1. I have ranted before, that if we have a Mumbai/Paris style attack, we will need more armed bods on the street. Special forces are fine for hostage rescue, but we should see co-operation/forward planning between civilian police & Royal Military Police, to put RMP on the streets quick, in an armed patrol/reassurance role, next to unarmed ordinary civilian officers.
2. The need for RN surplus OPV to patrol the coasts of South East England to deter people/weapon/drug smuggling.
3. Firefighting buckets for RAF Chinook helicopters. Get DfID to chip in.
4. If the proverbial hits the fan, no faffing arguing who pays. MoD straight into action, paid by HM Treasury contingency fund.

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@JohnH

This I think is more for widespread natural disasters or internal riots/sudden instability than Mumbai or Paris (in any case, I don’t recall the Army mobilised for 7/7 bombings?)

1) Does it then not show how weakly prepared the police force is? I like the SAS/UK SF, but they have roles externally as well. What’s the Met and others doing to prepare for this?

2) OPV patrols are fine, so are border force patrols as well. You want to shoot up refugees with 30mms? Terrorists ok, that would be cheaper than PIV or Brimstone indeed (if there’s a sudden maritime threat. Oh wait, we do have Wildcats, Merlins and SBS on standby….)

3) The name is DFID (external). Even MOD gives aid. And where’s the fire to be fought? Last I saw, the army battled the floods on the ground, did ask the RAF to chip in.

4) I think yeah HMT has go to pay. But as I asked, why a 3 star general in charge of home “defence” then?

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@JH

There are very well thought out plans to free up armed MOD police to support “civilian” police forces with their role guarding MOD establishments back filled by uniformed personnel.

JohnHartley

Well I hope you are right about plans to back up UK civilian police with armed MoD police, because until I see an exercise where that happens, I doubt the paper plan would make it out the safe in time of a real incident (official responsible for said plan on golf course).
Other nations have fire fighting buckets for their Chinooks. They have been used for forest fires, industrial fires & even at nuclear plant disasters in Japan. We could have done with them at those big MoD warehouse fires in the late 80s/early 90s where most of our cold war spares went up in smoke.

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@JH

A friend of mine is pretty much responsible for implementing it in the South of England . Exercises have happened but these do not need to be done in the public eye. I can also vouch for the extra training personnel are receiving to back fill duties.

So forgive me if I take your rant with a pinch of salt.

JohnHartley

APATS. That was not a rant, more a sigh of despair.

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@JH

As I have explained perhaps not such a sigh required.

HMArmedForcesReview

How often do massive fires break out in the UK?

JohnHartley

HMAFR.
Buncefield, Flixborough, come to mind, just as a start. Then the MoD warehouse fires. Then the forest/heathland fires during long hot dry Summers. Plus Madiera & the South of France have been having fires lately. Aid to allies & all that. Buying 5 to 10 fire buckets for Chinooks, is not going to worry the £700+ billion the UK gov spends every year.

UninformedCivvyLurker
UninformedCivvyLurker

As an uninformed civvy lurker, I sat here with a puzzled look on my face, wondering how on earth a few red buckets marked “fire” being carried inside Chinooks would have any bearing on Civil Defence.

Had a “faceslap” moment reading about fighting forest fires and re-imagining what you meant by a Chinook fire bucket in my head !!

Oh well……

Cky7

I can see why details of such contingency plans are kept quiet, but do think this one of quite a few areas where it should be better publicised so joe public types like myself are aware of it before being corrected by those in the know like APATS as I can’t imagine it’s nice for hard working and skilled members of the forces to read comments claiming this or that hasn’t been done when in fact it has? Perhaps there are very good reasons for not doing in this instance but do think the MOD ought to blow their own trumpet a little more generally speaking to help increase public appreciation to the levels they should be.

JohnHartley

A quick internet search on fire fighting buckets for Chinooks, led to Columbia helicopters that uses a 2650 gallon bucket (bambi?) from its Chinooks.
Also the California Army National Guard has been using fire fighting buckets from their Chinooks.
Another firm is experimenting with fitting a water tank for fire fighting within the Chinook fuselage & thus doing away with the bucket.

HMArmedForcesReview

I think so far its the floods they are concerned about, fires second.

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