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9 Comments

  1. Fedaykin

    This is a personal extremely annoying issue for me!

    I am a civilian UK fullbore target shooter, up until a bit over a year ago I was able to purchase very reasonably priced Radway Green produced ammunition as did many other fellow members of my rifle club and those who participate in the sport nationally.

    BAE Systems in their wisdom decided that they were no-longer going to sell ammunition into the civilian target market. This is despite the overhaul to their facilities allowing vast production of small arms ammunition and the draw down from Afghanistan that must negate the MOD needing as much.

    We have to buy German, Lithuanian and Swiss (I realise they are not in NATO but RUAG is a major source) surplus instead if we want NATO spec ammunition. It is an absurd situation which has caused much anger within the target shooting community. In particular those who like service rifle shooting.

    It really grates watching BAE Systems playing up this new super facility yet we are not allowed to buy anything off it!

  2. John Hartley

    Is there still a shortage of ammo in the US civilian market? If so, a good export opportunity for Radway Green 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62.

  3. Obsvr

    When you think about it 1mil a day isn’t exactly a lot in terms of a production surge, think about the numbers in a brigade or a division. It all depends on military stock in hand, something that without doubt the Treasury are keen to reduce on the promise that BAE can raise production if required. I think there is cause for concern.

  4. monty

    @Dave

    Radway Green can make any calibre you want. However, they are not making 4.7mm ammo at the moment. This is strange because a fair number of units use the H&K MP7 for which it was designed, including the MoD Police, British Nuclear Police, and Special Forces. They buy it from RUAG.

    @Fedaykin

    I much prefer Lapua full bore ammunition. Their 7.62mm is pretty good. I particularly like their 6.5x47mm and 6.5x39mm Grendel rounds with the OTM Scenar bullet. Radway Green mostly produces military spec 5.56mm and 7.62mm, not match ammo. They do produce limited batches of high grade 7.62mm but not 8.59mm. I’ve never tried to buy Lapua ammo in the UK so don’t know if it is available.

  5. John Hartley

    Must admit I am baffled as to why Radway Green does not make .338 Lapua & .50 Browning.

  6. Fedaykin

    @Monty

    Lapua is rather pricey especially if you want some cheap stuff to practice with off the shelf.

    The other issue which is more relevant to this is those who shoot 7.62×51 service rifles like the Enfield L39 which is basically a re-chambered Lee Enfield No.4.

    Whilst you can put a .308 round in a rifle chambered for 7.62×51 you will more then likely exceed the chamber pressure. I believe Bisley put a safety warning out a while back in respect of Enfield rifles chambered for 7.62×51 for this exact reason. They are elderly rifles so you have to be careful what you put in them. Far better to get good quality milsurp 7.62×51 hence my issue with BAE Systems and Radway Green. If you want 7.62×51 these days GGG, MEN, DAG and RUAG seem to be the most popular currently. RG has pretty much dried up now. Conversely 7.62×51 should be perfectly safe in a bolt action chambered for .308.

    Curiously it is the reverse for .223 and 5.56 NATO! .223 should be perfectly safe in a rifle chambered for 5.56 NATO but the reverse risks exceeding the chamber pressure. This is mainly to do with 5.56 running a bit hotter because if thicker brass and how the bullet engages the rifling. .223 has a different profile from the chamber onto the rifling then 5.56 NATO. So running 5.56 NATO through a .223 chambered rifle risks over stressing the rifle.

    It is not an exact science and some rifles can chamber either or perfectly fine. What is important to remember regardless of what ammunition you shoot and even if you only use commercial ALWAYS CHECK YOUR BRASS for signs of high pressure!!!!!!

    Sorry if I am teaching better people how to suck an egg

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