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  1. Marcase

    Wonderfull boats, the CB90E and H Stridbats, but only for a selected few, as it’s a niche craft.
    Most ocean going navies still rely (and will rely) on RHIB/FRISC type assault craft for pure personnel transport and boarding actions as they are easier to transport overseas. For a CB90 you will need an LPD-type ship (or something like HMNZS Canterbury), and then economics come into play, for if you can carry an (admittedly faster) CB90, you can also carry LCU’s, RHIBs and helos.

    For coastal/riverine ops however, the CB90-series seems to fit the bill however, especially for operations lasting days/weeks instead of hours (of patrol).

    The Netherlands has tested and was seriously considering a CB-90 buy, but as with all defense projects, it has been postponed indefinately.

  2. ArmChairCivvy

    Here’s the spec that lead to USS Ponce, to be able to do SF & MCM off the same floating platform:
    “develop a floating base that can be used in the Persian Gulf says whatever ship is chosen must be able to carry 370 people, have a 20-person operations center, accomodate “4 MH-53 size helicopters” and a have up to 12 small vessels like riverine patrol boats and 7-meter Zodiac boats lash up to its side at any one time.”

    Even though the CB90s are officially command boats in Riverine Sqdrns, there is nothing to stop them being used as a sqdrn on their own (better speed, range and sea-keeping than in the squadrons optimised for rivers and sheltered waters

    For the quoted part, Read more: http://defensetech.org/2012/01/28/uss-ponce-to-become-spec-ops-mothership/#ixzz2GqM1FfOT
    Defense.org

  3. Mike W

    When I was observing a RM landing exercise last year at Carlyon Bay in Cornwall, I spoke to a Royal Marine who informed me that the Corps was certainly going to get the CB90, although not the PACSCAT or Medium Hovercraft (not just yet anyway). He did not give any timescale. I think it would be a very useful acquisition indeed, although work would need to be done in several areas, not least on the narrow exit from the bow.

  4. ArmChairCivvy

    The Swedes themselves have come up with this kind of compromise, where the ship will be a presence/ intervention vehicle in the early parts of any campaign (“peace-keeping”) and then mainly a logistics platform for both land and any other naval vessels required in the area:

    “L10 design concept featured a total displacement of 13,430 tons, a cargo deck area will be equal to 2,150 m2, and *troops� capacity of up to 170* people. Its compartment would be able to house *two NH90 helicopters*. There would be no docking facilities, but the ship would carry *twelve Combat Boat 90 (CB 90) assault boats*, which can be set afloat by means of a slip or a crane. During 2008, modifications were carried out to adapt 25 Combat Boat 90(CB 90) to enable them to withstand better the tropical conditions likely to be encountered in the course of missions abroad. The boats have been equipped with armor to protect the main armament on the upper deck against small arms fire. The armor is to the same standard as that elsewhere on the boat and it can be replaced if damaged.”
    – compared to Ponce, no MCM rqrmnt (rather ro-ro type logistics a la Canterbury)
    – about the same number in the intervention/ onboard command contingent carried, but a much lighter helo capability balanced by a much punchier boat squadron

  5. Jonesy

    Quick point to note is that this unit documented above is the 7 tonne Sb90E not the 18 tonne CB90H. The Sb is the lighter LCP variant oft found lurking near rear openings in Danish vessels of the Absalon and Rasmussen classes. It is eminently suitable for being dangled off a set of modest davits….as it is with Absalons telescopic stern arrangement.

  6. jedibeeftrix

    “L10 design concept featured a total displacement of 13,430 tons, a cargo deck area will be equal to 2,150 m2, and *troops� capacity of up to 170* people. Its compartment would be able to house *two NH90 helicopters*. There would be no docking facilities, but the ship would carry *twelve Combat Boat 90 (CB 90) assault boats*, which can be set afloat by means of a slip or a crane.”

    Sounds like the littoral control ship from warships1 days.

    I like it.

  7. nillite

    The USN went with the Mark VI patrol boat by SAFE instead of the CB90. Considered to have better sea keeping and endurance.

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