This is a five part series on the A400M Atlas transport aircraft
Part 1 – Background, Progress and Keeping and Options
Part 2 – What is So Good about the A400M Anyway?
Part 3 – Beyond Tomorrow, a Multi Role Platform
Part 5 – Say Hello to my Little Brother
Beyond its potential as a multi role base platform to cover a number of new and existing mission requirements what is it that makes the A400 Atlas worth all the trouble, we know the C17/C130 combination would be easier as they are both available of the nice shelves of the US defence industry.
This is the crux of the argument for the A400; it has to offer more than just industrial or political benefits for it to be judged a success. Despite the numerous development problems we have to try and look at the aircraft and its specification in isolation, forget the political and industrial backdrop and ask ourselves if it is worth having.
To remind ourselves, the A400M Atlas is officially defined as;
A400M is planned to provide tactical and strategic mobility to all three Services. The required capabilities include: operations from airfields and semi-prepared rough landing areas in extreme climates and all weather conditions by day and night; carrying a variety of equipment including vehicles and troops over extended ranges; air dropping paratroops and equipment; and being unloaded with the minimum of ground handling equipment.
One of the taglines for the A400 is that it can ‘transport what the C130 cannot to places that the C17 can’t’ which neatly sums it up but misses many of the other advantages of the A400.
It is no C17 and it is no C130 either but that is exactly the point, it is not meant to be but it will always be compared to them.
The A400M is designed to replace the C130’s and C160’s in service with the launch customers.
Contents
Cargo Bay and Payload
The maximum payload of the A400M Atlas has yet to be fully released but the design objective is 37 tonnes compared with 19.1 tonnes for the C130J or 19.6 for the C130J-30 although the USAF C130 datasheet actually shows the normal maximum C130J payload as 15.422 tonnes and 16.329 tonnes for the J and J-30 models respectively.
The weight of a vehicle is usually readily available from open sources and equally the payload of the aircraft, so most high level analyses tend to start here.
However, there are many other factors that need to be taken into account; dimensions, weight distribution, uniformity of shape, securing practice and safety considerations all determine whether an aircraft can carry a vehicle, they will also need to undergo air carriage trials to confirm.
Despite this being the job of qualification and air despatch professionals we can still sneak a peek at those open source numbers and whilst accepting the unknown unknowns that only the professional will know, still get a reasonable idea of feasibility and come to reasonable conclusions.
We also have to be careful to understand what kind of weight we are quoting, is it kerb weight or gross vehicle weight. Kerb weight has a number of different definitions but generally is taken as including the vehicle, a single driver, fuel and fluids but excluding payload. The kerb weight plus maximum payload is often called the gross vehicle weight. For air carriage purposes a vehicle would generally be transported in as light a configuration as possible but if it needs to be ready shortly after it rolls off the ramp for tactical reasons then it might be required to have the full payload and therefore move over the limit for one aircraft or the other.
Equipment might also have its dimensions changed depending on the degree of readiness at the point of embarkation, radio antenna or bar armour could be fitted quickly after landing and some of the more modern vehicles are specifically designed with modular armour that can be removed for air carriage. The German Puma, for example, was specifically designed with A400M carriage in mind having modular armour that was built around the weight limitations, five A400M’s were designed to air transport four Pumas with their modular armour in the final aircraft.
One of the key factors of the sales pitch for the A400M Atlas is that equipment, plant and vehicles are getting bigger and heavier whilst the C130J isn’t. Airbus also makes the point that the A400M can deliver everything the C130J can into exactly the same austere locations but also a subset of the C17’s payload into locations it cannot.
The traditional hub and spoke model will use aircraft like large civilian transporters or C17’s deliver equipment into a Main Operating Base with tactical aircraft like C130J’s being used to fly it forward into Forward Operating Bases. I know the C17 can be used in extremis to fly direct into an austere forward location but as noted, this would need significant surface improvement if it were more than a one off and expensive maintenance activity after. This is a superb capability to have, no doubt, but not one to be used regularly.
With the turnaround speed, austere location capability and intermediate weight and volume capabilities the argument for the A400M is that in some scenarios, this hub and spoke arrangement can be collapsed. It is not claimed that it can do this with main battle tank class equipment but armoured vehicles of around 30 tonnes and other equipment, plant and vehicles that exceeds the 2.74m height and 3.12m width of the C130J.
The equipment and more importantly, combinations of equipment, that falls into this category is where the interesting analysis lies.
Something that always amuses when reading about the A400M is the notion that Airbus woke up one morning and picked the specifications out of their collective arses. The cargo bay is 3.85m high because that is what the launch customers wanted, not 3.86 or 10.54 but 3.85. The same is true for all the other characteristics, driven from user requirements that would have been the result of detailed and exhaustive operational analysis.
Detractors of the A400M would do well to understand who it is they are aiming their criticism at!
So
When defining the payload characteristics of the A400M Atlas, Airbus Military and the launch customers looked at four sets of influencing factors;
The first is that equipment would grow in volume and weight beyond that of the C130 and thus decrease the proportion of inventory which could be airlifted into austere locations on a sustainable basis.
Second, users would want to realise the operational and economic benefit of collapsing the hub and spoke arrangement in some scenarios.
Third, the demand for delivering heavy and bulky equipment closer to the point of need would grow, especially for disaster response and humanitarian support, a key aspect of predicted future military operations.
Finally, carrying more for a given crew size within the constraints of the payload envelope would generate savings in people, the largest cost component.
Although Airbus Military and the launch customers could not have predicted the impact of the IED on vehicle design and the need to increase protection against a range of threats the A400M has benefited somewhat, call it hindsight or call it luck but their first influencing factor, this increase in size and weight, has been fully reflected by the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq. Additional bar armour adds weight and width/length whilst ECM and protected weapon stations, either manned or remote, adds height. For example, the BAE Haggluns BvS10 Viking is only 2.2m high in the fresh from the factory version but adding the Platt MR550 ring mount, air conditioning and ECM adds just under a metre in height, pushing it from C130 to A400M carriage.
I have started to create a database of all relevant UK military equipment with dimensions and weights etc. (using manufacturer data) just to illustrate how things have changed and will post this in the future but to illustrate the trend of increasing size and weight, a selected group is shown below.
Land Rover WMIK >> Jackal
The Land Rover WMIK or even cut down recce wagon has now been replaced by the Supacat Jackal. Accepting there are many variants of the WMIK the approximate dimensions are similar, comparing the two, the Jackal is between 15% and 25% larger and just under twice the kerb weight.
As it happens, they can both easily be carried by the C130J but even for a stripped down lightweight system like this, the size and weight growth is obvious.
Land Rover Snatch >> Foxhound LPPV
The same volume and weight increases can be seen in the evolution of the Foxhound which is approximately 15% large in all three axis and again, nearly twice the weight.
Bedford MJ /Leyland DAF >> MAN SP Cargo Vehicle Light
What about the workhouse of any Army, its basic green truck. The Leyland DAF was slightly larger than the venerable Bedford MJ but the jump between the DAF and the MAN SP Cargo Vehicle Light is approximately 15% larger and heavier.
Add in a protected cab, some bar armour and a weapon station and it is no longer capable of being carried by a C130J.
Combat Engineer Tractor (CET) >> Terrier
The Terrier Manoeuvre Support Vehicle is actually slightly more compact that the CET it is replacing and thus might be seen to buck the trend but it ioeen to buck the trend but it os over 30% he the impact of the IED on vehicle design e by C130J os over 30% heavier and the British versions of the A400M will have a cargo floor specifically strengthened to accommodate it.
Saxon AT105 >> Mastiff 3
Whether Mastiff remains in service after Afghanistan or not here is a clear evolution in the kind of protected mobility vehicle that can now be used. The IED has precipitated a volume and weight growth which is unlikely to be reversed.
Mastiff is between 19% and 35% larger than the Saxon and at least a third heavier, because of its size it is unable to be carried aboard a C130J but can be accommodated by the A400M.
Bv206 >> BvS10 >> Warthog
A small number of the original Bv206’s are still in service and they show exactly the size and weight inflation trend through to the theatre entry Warthog.
The size increase is between 20% and 30% but the weight increase is a whopping 75%
Carrying More
The second factor informing the design of the A400M was the desire to carry a greater percentage of the overall inventory, not items that had seen size and weight growth but that were beyond the capabilities of the C130 or C160 in the first place.
Looking at singleton carriage, the following equipment cannot be carried on the C130J but by virtue of greater payload and a bigger cargo bay can be accommodated by the A400M Atlas;
Armoured Combat and Protected Mobility Vehicles
Non TES variants of the Warrior, FRES Scout and variants (initial estimate based on kerb weight), BvS10 Viking (TES), Warthog (TES), Mastiff, Ridgeback and variants, Wolfhound, CVR(T) Scimitar Mk2, Husky (TES)
Artillery
Royal Artillery Arthur locating radar, GMLRS including payload, GMLRS Recovery
Engineering and Logistics
4 Wheels: DAF 4 Tonne T45 Dropside, MAN SV Cargo Light (Medium Mobility HX60)
6 Wheels: MAN SV Cargo Medium (Medium Mobility HX58), MAN SV Unit Support Tanker (Improved Medium Mobility SX44), MAN SV Unit Support Tanker (Medium Mobility HX58), Bedford TM 6×6 14 Tonne cargo (legacy fleet), Volvo FL12 Cargo truck with Jib (legacy fleet), Foden Recovery Vehicle
8 Wheels: Alvis Unipower BR90 Bridging Vehicle, Alvis Unipower BR90 Automated Bridge Laying Equipment vehicle, Alvis Unipower Tank Bridge Transporter (without bridge set), MGB Pallet Set on FODEN DROPS, Foden DROPS Improved Medium Mobility, Leyland DROPS Medium Mobility, MAN SV Cargo Heavy Medium Mobility HX77 8×8, MAN SV Cargo Heavy Medium Mobility HX77 8×8 EPLS
Tractor and Trailer: Seddon Atkinson 24.38 6×4 Tractor Unit Light Equipment Tractor, Foden 4380 MWAD 8×6 articulated 20,000L water tanker (Legacy fleet), Heavy Equipment Tractor 1070F (Oshkosh), Broshuis and King heavy trailers, 40 foot ISO container
Engineering Plant: Dump Truck Med 6×6 A3-6RA – Foden (legacy fleet), Case 721 BXT Rough Terrain Forklift (legacy), Case 721 CXT Armoured Loader Wheeled (legacy), Caterpillar 972G Loader (Armoured), Ingersol Trailer Mounted Compressor, Iveco tracker 6×6 Volumetric Mixer Volumetric Mixer, Medium Crawler Tractor (MCT) Caterpillar D5N DZ10 Tracked DZ11, Drilling Machine Rotary Truck Mounted Well Drill, Comacchio MC 450 – Drill Rotary EOD, Terex AC35 – Medium Crane Truck MTD 20-30 Tonne, Iveco tracker 6×6 Truck Mounted Loader (TML), Iveco Tracker 6×6 Dump Truck Self Loading, Tractor Wheeled Medium and Rough Terrain Fork Lift, Bomag BW 177 DH-4 (Roller Motorised Smooth Drum), Excavator Crawler Mounted Medium (Volvo EC210), Excavator Wheeled Medium (Volvo EW180C)
Surveillance and Communication
Falcon when mounted on MAN Support Vehicle
Aircraft and Aviation Support
Chinook (rear rotor disassembled), Apache Attack Helicopter (with stub wings and rotor head removed), Wildcat with only main rotor blades removed,
This is not and exhaustive list but it should provide some insight into the potential transformative effects delivered by the A400M.
The core role of tactical air transport is to deliver and sustain land forces, if by concentrating our resources on legacy aircraft like the C130 we deny ourselves the ability to discharge that fundamental role fully.
The fundamental truth is this, plant and vehicles are getter bigger and the C130 cargo box isn’t
Although it is easy to concentrate on these singular large payloads, it is combination loads of vehicles, plant, pallets and people enabled by the 4m by 3.85m by 17m cargo box of the A400M that are interesting.
A great deal of military equipment is designed with the C17 cargo box dimensions in mind, especially its height under the wing of 3.76m. The A400M Atlas has a minimum height of 3.85m compared with 2.74m for the C130J. Height is often the critical limiting factor for air carriage and in the kit lists above it is height more often that rules out C130 carriage.
Width is 4m compared with 5.5m for the C17 and 3.12m for the C130J but width is less of an issue for vehicles and equipment. Only really large loads like helicopters or main battle tanks and their derivatives need this width although double row pallet carriage is supported by the C17’s width.
Even if you look at shifting some Land Rovers, a single A400 can move 6 plus trailers, 3 times a C130J.
The C17 though can carry a whopping 18 463L pallets but this is reduced to 9 if one wants the seats folded down, which is exactly the same as the A400.
The C130J can carry six 463L military pallets but there are restrictions on dimensions and direction in order to maintain a safe exit path. The C130J-30 only carries one less pallet than the A400M but in order to do so, the seats have to be folded up and therefore, it is unable to carry personnel. The A400M on the other hand can carry the A400 can carry nine 463L pallets and 54 personnel at the same time
Different aircraft have different ramp loading weights; the A400M for example can carry a 6 tonne bundle on the ramp, the C130J much less than this. This also impacts on the maximum weight that can be air dropped. Floor loading factors limit weight distribution and the overhang or ramp area can be used for outsize cargos like gun barrels on vehicles or crane jibs on construction plant, if the floor length would indicate a piece of equipment could not be carried it might still be possible by using the ramp void.
A 2010 trial included a Ridgeback and Panther and the report in Flight International made the point that the A400M could not only accommodate the TES versions of these two vehicles but also a couple of pallets on the ramp and 50 odd personnel seated.
Some of the datasheet figures stand out, the C17 is stated as having a seating capacity of 102 against 128 for the C130J-30 or 116 for the A400M and yet the floor lengths are similar. The c130J-30 stretched variant has a longer fuselage and the same engines as the normal version but can carry 900kg greater payload.
The maximum payload figures might look impressive on one aircraft or the other but what does that do to the range?
Cargo hold heights are not uniform, the lowest point is usually under the wing area, whilst this will limit loads of a continuous height, some equipment might be shorter at one end that the other and so whilst the cargo hold dimension limit might preclude it, the actual situation might be different. The aircraft under consideration here are not uniform in width, the cargo bed will be narrower than the widest point so for vehicles and equipment that overhang above their wheelbase this might again change the carriage capability. Bar or slat armour will increase the width of a vehicle but not right down to the surface of the aircraft load bed and so this might be accommodated by the natural shape of the aircraft.
A larger height could allow loads to be carried on trailers or vehicles ready for drive away or simply to maximise volume. A good example is the Iveco Tracker 6×6 truck and JCB Telehandlers; these two generally go together with the telehandler being carried to site on the back of the Tracker. They are both individually transportable by C130J but not when the telehandler is secured onto the cargo load bed of the truck. In the A400 on the other hand, both can be carried together, thus minimising floor space used and maximising the volume of the aircraft whilst reducing handling at the destination.
Many modern vehicles in their Theatre Entry Specification (TES) have additional fittings such as remote weapon stations or ECM and communication ‘roof racks’ so the extra height would not normally find itself into the vehicle specification sheets. This extra height might tip it over from one aircraft to the next, the Panther being a good example. In the much rarer scenarios of vehicles needing to be ready (almost) to fight the moment they roll off the ramp this might be important but in other less dramatic scenarios it might simply reduce the overhead in putting the vehicles back together again after they have been broken down ready for transport. This might seem like a trivial saving in time but a) it is not and b) every person counts on operations as they have to be fed, protected and otherwise sustained at great cost.
What I am trying to get at here is that just looking at maximum payload, cargo bed width or numbers of pallets only gets you so far, these are important but have to be balanced against potential restrictions, range implications and how loads are mixed. The ability of aircraft A to carry equipment B is also not as simple as it may look because of non-uniform dimensions of both aircraft and equipment, variation in floor loading and other factors.
The loads and volumes would also then be used to establish likely scenarios and resultant plans, phasing equipment, vehicles, stores and personnel to a predetermined logistic plan for operation of one type or another, working out sustainment mission load patterns, where these loads would need to be delivered and how that would dictate plans.
It is very complex so comparing aircraft by cost per tonne or cost per meter cubed might be an interesting exercise, as is looking at equipment dimensions and seeing if they fit but there is more to it than that.
The RAF’s C130J’s use the Dash 4a Cargo Handling System from AAR Corp that is not the same as that on the older C130K’s that use the old Skydel system or the newer Enhanced Cargo Handling System (ECHS) fitted to most C130J’s. I read that the RAF C130’s were delivered without a cargo handling system and old ones fitted at Marshalls because LM would not sign off on the Skydel, ECHS was too expensive and Lockheed Martin’s construction quality was compromised by old jigs that meant the floor beams did not fit. Either way, we seem to have ended up with a mish-mash of systems that are ill suited to modern operations.
The UK versions of the A400M will be delivered without a roller/restraint system that would allow carriage of civilian 125 inch wide Unit Load Device pallets and underfloor winch to save money but will instead be strengthened to allow the Terrier armoured engineer vehicle to be carried. If one reads the NAO report the civilian pallet system was deleted to save a few million pounds and I hope that yet again, the cargo handling system on a new aircraft is not being de-specified in order to save tiny sums of money.
I am already getting that sinking feeling despite the A400M’s AAR provided and PFM designed standard cargo handling system supposedly being very impressive.
The large wheel wells provide aerodynamic improvements that allow simultaneous paratroop and cargo despatch and create space inside which is used for equipment that might otherwise impinge on the cargo bay.
Air dropping of equipment and supplies is an interesting concept and one that has seen a resurgence in the last decade or so, especially for air despatch of supplies as opposed to personnel and vehicles.
I covered the subject in some detail a couple of years ago, click here, looking at that article it is probably due a refresh.
The A400M will be able to air drop single loads up to 16 tonnes and with the higher ramp loading limits and very carefully designed aerodynamics air despatch and dropping paratroopers should be a very strong point for the A400M. The challenge will be to manage trials, certification and getting around to actually replacing some of the ancient platforms and associated equipment still in service.
By keeping the C130 and not moving on, we are tacitly accepting that more and more of the types of equipment that used to go in the back of a Hercules now need to go via C17. This would be fair enough if we had loads of C17’s which were cheap to operate, low maintenance and able to repeatedly operate from austere locations, but it does not and cannot.
Performance
With a maximum altitude of 40,000 feet and cruise speed up to Mach 0.72 the A400M Atlas can fly in regular civilian airspace.
Testing is confirming that the aircraft has excellent aerodynamic performance and very stable in normal flight but extremely agile for such a large aircraft. It has been noted that this aerodynamic stability and clean air flow over the rear of the aircraft will allow some interesting thoughts on payload delivery to develop, launching UAV’s and cruise missiles looks less like a load of nonsense now!
In addition to the excellent handling characteristics and speed it is range that the A400M Atlas is quite impressive.
The map below shows the range of the A400M from Brize Norton; 3,300km at 37 tonnes, 4,500km at 30 tonnes, 6,400 at 20 tonnes and 8,700km ferry range.
And again from RAF Mount Pleasant, Al Udeid in Qatar, Wideawake at Ascension and RAF Akrotiri
A comparison with the C130J is also shown below, the two circles represent the C130J and A400M at 20 tonnes payload, 1,852km km and 6,400km respectively. The C130J range at this payload has been derived from the graph on page 29 of the C130J datasheet, click here to view.
These range maps are imperfect; they assume straight lines and uniform flight profiles for example and the different fuel configurations with regards to reserves etc are not known. They provide a good indicator though.
The UK is planned to be largely out of Afghanistan well before the A400M comes into service but we are currently flying a hub and spoke from the UK to the Middle East and then into Afghanistan, trooping flights using C17’s are very wasteful of precious and expensive aircraft hours but the A400M in this situation could fly direct to Bastion from Brize Norton with a mixed load of pallets and personnel up to 20 tonnes at a significantly lower cost than the hub and spoke currently being used.
It will be able to lift 20 tonnes from Ascension to Mount Pleasant. Cyprus is well placed for operations into North Africa and the Middle East and Qatar, Oman or Bahrain puts large areas in South Asia, Africa and the Middle East within reach without resorting to stop overs or airborne refuelling.
All this at relatively high cruising speeds and altitudes as well and the similarity to the UK’s C17 fleet means that the complex task of ‘flow management’ will be made easier. Speed also reduces duty cycles for crew which will result in cost savings as less crew will be needed for a given task in comparison to the C130J.
For air dropping these circles will obviously reduce unless airborne refuelling is used but because the A400M can be used in the AAR role it could be used to self-deploy multiples and the return leg.
Austere Operations
The specification of the A400M Atlas requires it to match or improve upon the short field performance of the equipment it is replacing, namely the C160 Transal and C130 Hercules. If it does not do this it will have failed against one of the key design metrics so Airbus have aimed for a significant improvement.
If one looks at the undercarriage arrangement, the nose wheel and main wheels it is obvious that they are big, have a large footprint and designed to spread the load out across a larger area, thus reducing ground pressure.
The A400M has been designed not just to land and take off from rough and soft surfaces but to do so repeatedly. On a CBR 6 surface it can land, unload and take off 40 times before the runway is unusable without improvement with a mixed fuel/payload load of 30 tonnes. On a CBR 8 surface this raises to 225 missions.
It can land 27 tonnes onto an 830m soft strip
To enable operations at austere locations the A400M Atlas can kneel and roll so that equipment can be loaded on uneven ground and it can reverse up a 2 degree slope or 1 degree when fully loaded without a ground tug.
Messier Bugatti have designed the Steering/Landing/Kneeling system to allow, for example, a wheel to be changed by raising the aircraft. There are three positions
Systems
The Thales Top Owl helmet mounted sight has been selected for A400M Atlas flight tests and this will probably flow through to production aircraft. Thales has also been selected to provide the flight simulators for the RAF, Rockwell Collins for the HF-9500 radio system and Rode and Schwarz for the VHF/UHF radios..
There is a full fly by wire flight envelope system that has been derived from the A380 and uses the very latest full duplex dual speed network called Avionics Full Duplex Switched Ethernet or ADFX. The benefits of this, as opposed to the traditional means of connectivity is it provides quality of service, can hugely improve resilience and lowers the amount of cabling used, with obvious weight benefits. This is linked to the Integrated Modular Avionics system using a range of interactive LCD displays and computing modules, this modular approach is predicted to decrease maintenance, support and upgrade costs significantly. If one looks at the cutthroat world of commercial aviation where through life costs are under constant downward pressure, the A400M Atlas is benefiting from technology proven elsewhere.
The Europrop International (EPI) TP400D-6’s are worth mentioning because they are the most powerful turboprops fitted to any Western aircraft, at a power rating of 11,000 SHP.
The defensive aids will be equally impressive, the Thales Multi-colour Infrared Alerting Sensors (MIRAS) system and Indra ALR-400 provides advanced detection with a range of chaff/flare launchers from MBDA and towed radar decoys providing protection. A Directed Infra-Red Countermeasure (DIRCM) system may also be fitted but the final configuration and fit for the RAF may not be decided until closer to in service. Defensive systems, fuel tank inerting and other protection systems may have been subject to budget based reduction in the past but with the A400M Atlas they have been a very high priority and it is an area that European industry excels at. The National Audit Office major projects reports do indicate that not all aircraft will be initially fitted with the full compliment but I find it hard to believe that when in service the aircraft fleet will not be fully configured, you never know though.
Germany has decided to forego their original automatic terrain masking low level flight system but the standard system is still impressive and will continuously compare the aircrafts position by GPS and INS with a database of elevation and obstructions with the resultant information being passed back to the flight control system.
Support
Airbus have many years of driving down support costs but a military aircraft self-evidently is subject to a different set of stresses to their civilian models, that said, many of the concepts of integrated logistics support are still applicable.
The maintenance downtime is designed to be only 84 days with three levels of checks; Line (A Check) every 150 days, Base (B Check) every 24 months and Depot (C Check) every 72 months. One of the key selling points of the A400M is its low operating costs.
There is a maintenance free operating period of 15 days during which only minimal serving is needed which can be carried out by the aircrew and with supplies carried on board. A Ground Kit and Long Deployment Kit are also available which contains a range of tools and spares and extended this maintenance free autonomous period to 150 days or 500 flight hours.
These remain to be proven of course.
Summary
Despite all its trials and tribulations the A400M Atlas is approaching the end of the initial development programme, users will be able to start exploring just what it can do, pushing the performance envelope and realising the considerable investment made.
In Part 1 I looked at the background and industrial issues but in this part I have tried to explain how the A400M is worth the wait and money.
If we look back at bit of equipment that were hard to replace, the Bedford 4 tonner being a good example, there was an enormous resistance to venturing into new areas but the MAN Support Vehicle which is a big step forward has been a real success. Change is always difficult but sometimes a revolution is better than an evolution so whilst the C130J is no doubt a big act to follow I think the A400M represents that break with the past that is long overdue.
The next part will look at the potential of the A400M in missions other than transport.













































@ TOC
Careful. You will be signing up the Voyager PFI bunch next to refuel the surface fleet.
I don’t think you were ever going to land A400M’s on the deck of a carrier. They hardly got that C-130 down back when they did.
@ Jeremey re C130
But isn’t the spin that A400m is the best of both worlds? It is better than C130, but can nearly do what C17 does. You are right it is what it is a bigger C130.
TOC
ROLF
In particular if we can get it to carry (that mythical wonder bird) FRES, then you have the jackpot. All of our flame wars in one post.
Apparently the US has has 203 total (70 C-17, 133 C-17ER) in inventory as of November 2010. 223 funded with 10 remaining on order in June 2010 according to Wikipedia.
@ Jeremy M H re C130 on Forrestal
Apparently the trial went very well. I used to think it was a stunt and didn’t look into it much. But after prompting here I looked more closely and it was amazing how much of a margin they had with those landings.
@X
It went well but they basically had to clear the deck to get the thing down. The landing was not the problem really. It was the impact that such things have on flight operations that was the biggest problem. You certainly could do it. But not as part of regular operation. You would basically lose your flight deck for the period the thing is landing, aboard and taking off I would guess.
TD,
Excellent article. Your point about how all types of military vehicles have grown in weight is well made. But is it unequivocal that we need an aircraft with a greater capacity than the C-130J presently offers? I am not sure it is.
One capability we do need is the ability to fly into rough airfields carrying Foxhounds, Jackals and Vikings, so that we can deploy some level of protected mobility immediately. C-130s can do this without a problem. That being the case, I tend to prefer a mixed fleet of more C-17s and C-130Js, especially if that gives us a higher total number of aircraft than C-17s and A400s. A significantly lower C-130J purchase price should more than compensate for the increased cost of the C-17 versus the A400.
That said, an important factor is that many of our C-130s are reaching the end of their airframe lives. We need new aircraft anyway. If that’s correct, you have to ask what Lockheed Martin is doing to upgrade the C-130? If it can produce a new aircraft with a substantially enlarged fuselage / cargo hold and with a 30-40% increase in load capacity, why not go for that, especially if it is cheaper than an A400?
That would be an interesting option. But as far as I know, the C-130M or whatever they call it will merely be an incremental upgrade. in which case, I cannot see why anyone would buy one instead of an A400. The A400 may be exact aircraft that the next iteration of the C-130 should have been and maybe soon everyone will be buying them.
RE: CTOL transport aircraft. Greyhound can carry 5 tons (less for carrier ops)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-2-specs.htm
Chinook can carry 11 tons (?) fully loaded. As in the MTT concept I mentioned earlier ideally we would have the lifting and VTOL capabilities of the CH-47 and the speed and range of a turboprop.
@ Jeremy M H
Yes totally impractical. But C130 performed well within parameters and that is what makes it interesting.
About payloads
contrary to simplistic spec sheets, the story of airlift is rather complicated.
(1) individual aircraft/helicopters vary in their performance due to engine or (helos) gearbox inefficiencies which vary. Some aircraft fall short by a couple per cent power output, and even usually fine ones occasionally have a bad day with a minor technical issue reducing their output.
So we should always consider about 5% of payload as a precaution margin, not to be exploited regularly.
(2) Performance drops badly under hot or high conditions, and also somewhat with sand filters.
(3) Payload weight is rarely the problem. Almost all air lift ops are restricted (if at all) by volume or weight distribution and dimensions (such as height) are the more typical no-go problem than the weight of a single object.
As always TD, a fascinating article, cheers.
Frankly I don’t see the problem. Our kit is getting bigger and heavier – fact. Much of it no longer fits into the standard tactical airlifter. So what’s the problem buying a bigger aircraft to do the same job? The C17 is expensive, and is restricted in where it can go, so why not have a truly multi-role aircraft that can do everything from shift one pallet to a hoofing great Mastiff or other protected vehicle?
And buying European is no problem as far as I’m concerned. British jobs and British industry benefit – better that that the US taxpayer.
Seems a no brainer to me. I must admit prior to this article I didn’t think the A400M offered much more than a C130 but I am very happy to admit it offers a hell of a lot.
Looks beautiful and I am sure it will be a solid workhorse.
@SI
The problem comes when you spend the money here and don’t have it to spend on say…Maritime Patrol Aircraft or another Astute Class submarine.
Good post TD.
“Kawasaki C-1′s or Embraer KC-390′”
The 390 is still a paper product atm, with partner nations that will make A400 and Typhoon multi-nation mess-ups look like childrens party…
The Kawassaki C1 is no longer in production, and the airframes produced were a let down for the JSDF; the next gen C2 is still in pre-production… has been for a while, not to mention its designed solely for japaneese specs.
I like TD’s pointer on the ever expanding size and weights of kit, as I said in the last post; heavy fixed wing lift will need to do the first reaction lifting until the ships get there…
I’d still strongly argue for a small C-130J unit though.
120t in one week which is 6 flights for a C130 and 10 flights for CH47. It seems more airframes are needed not few big ones. All that experience on type lost too.
I wonder how many drops are done for tactical reasons more than just can’t land the aeroplane anywhere? And that leads me to ask is C130 being used because CH47 isn’t available in sufficient numbers? And which is the more maintenance intensive CH47 or C130?
Why are you comparing a support helicopter to an inter and intra theatre fixed wing transport? I don’t see Chinooks being able to move thousands of blokes and loads of cargo from Minab to Bastion or whatever the future equivalent will be.
It’s a cargo plane, since when did the need to fly cargo become an opportunity for some double loop paradigm shifting learning?
CH47s can’t maintain an air bridge. And increasingly C130 is becoming ever more restricted in its ability to do so. A400M seems to offer the chance to ensure we have effective air bridges well into the future.
TD
Superb post, TD. Through copious and painstakingly researched examples you have proved beyond any doubt that our land equipment is becoming larger and heavier and needs a bigger aircraft to transport it. Like Phil, I was still somewhat dubious about the merits of the A400M but the article has changed my thinking. I think his (Phil’s) comment sums it up: “Seems a no brainer to me. I must admit prior to this article I didn’t think the A400M offered much more than a C130 but I am very happy to admit it offers a hell of a lot.” Also agree about its looks!
It becomes terribly confusing when trying to compare the two planes in terms of range and speed (so many different figures given) and obviously much depends upon payload but I think the A400M has considerable advantages in those two areas too. Am prepared to be proved wrong.
@ The Other Chris – “If only we’d have picked CTOL CVF we could land these A400M’s on the deck and deliver the Storm Shadows to fit inside the F-35′s internal bay in order to replace the NGS requirement of the T26…” – I’m getting such a strong feeling of deja vu it’s spooky!
Anyone know how the yanks are going to deliver F135 engines to their carriers, they won’t fit inside a C2? No it’s not off topic, it’s air transport!
@SI – nail on the head there; we have to replace our C130s so why not go for something bigger, faster and which puts at least some work our way. Besides, don’t LM have their hands full at the moment?
@ Phil
Well if you had been here earlier I had been discussing how much the cost of 20 A400m buys in terms of C130x and CH47.
Without know where C130 is dropping these stores etc. we don’t know if a helicopter could or couldn’t have done it. I don’t believe for a moment there isn’t overlap that C130 is doing CH47 work because the latter isn’t available. We also discussed buying more conventional freighters and more C17.
Don’t panic. We all know you service types would endorse anything the MoD pushed out without really questioning it. We have ‘planes, they need replacing without question…..
Does anyone actually know how much we are paying for an A400M?
I know TD quotes 140 million but the article below seems to infer that soemof the sunk costs which lead to the 140 million per aircraft tag will be repaid.
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,225094,00.html
Edit,
Though I belive they have dropped a 0 from the unit price attributed to partner nations.
The 110 million euros ties in with other things I have heard.
APAS
If development spend is included then the UK budget for procuring 22 a/c with 3 options is just over 3b pounds and I think this includes the new hanger and training centre at brize norton and all things associated with a new fleet. The lower number 110m euro would I think be buying just the a/c itself.
As part of the re negotiated deal with airbus all partner nation will get a percentage of any future a/c sales.
Mark, That is what I was getting at. Any future sales will see a percentage paid back to the partner nations up to a limit that would see them having spent 110 million euros per airframe.
“Does anyone actually know how much we are paying for an A400M?”
Doing a bit of research, the South Africans signed a deal in 2006 for eight aircraft, including some of the work share on the upper fuselage. The deal came to $308 million per aircraft. And that was 6 years ago. By 2009 the estimate was that the purchase price plus logistic package could top $495 million per plane.
110-140 million euros; that sounds cheap as chips compared to £13 billion for 14 Voyager tankers.
“We have ‘planes, they need replacing without question…..”
You’re really wearing out the old hard done by nobody in the service listens to me line.
The A400M offers a real increase in capability. It is not marginal as I thought, it is a real tangible increase which arguably unlike the F35 and Typhoon is actually needed and determined by the ever increasing weights and ranges these planes are expected to cope with.
I’ve never heard anyone even remotely suggest using CH47s to sustain an air-bridge which is thousands of miles long.
I’d bet the farm that if C130s are are dropping supplies its for reasons OTHER than there not being any Chinooks. Flights around Helmand are very routine for support helicopters and the distances in the TF AO are small enough that Chinooks etc can make several bounces to and fro.
Malaysian order for 4 including training and logistics costs them 175 million pounds each. Using todays exchange rates.
Yes I know it’s not the most reliable source and a little off topic, but I thought you “flying wagon” types might find this interesting. What exactly would we do with nearly 2500 Challengers anyway?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4239864/10bn-refuel-planes-dont-work-for-RAF.html
“Malaysian order for 4 including training and logistics costs them 175 million pounds each. Using todays exchange rates”
Which is about $280 million dollars a piece. About double the $140 million price listed in the article.
India paid 1.2b dollars for 6 c130j including initial spares and training and that was last year.
Chris B, The price quoted in the article was 141 million pounds which is 225 million dollars. Also we hope to claw some of that back from our share of export sales and drive the final price down to teh agreed 90 million pounds or 110 million euro area.
The Malaysian contract simply stated it included logistics and training but not huge amount of detail.
Voyager and FRES! How could I have left those out?
Duly noted for next time
Mark,
The Indian deal was $962 million for six, and those were for special forces use. The deal included – amongst other things – six spare engines and 8 special operations suites, for an aircraft that was fresh into service, a problem we don’t have with Hercules.
APATS,
That just makes it worse.
Chris
Yes and the UK contract currently in place is for development production and initial support package. We choice to develop a/c you advocate that your self it means it pushes up contract price. Star Safire must be expensive.
The miltary sale document says 1.2b
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2011/India_11-44.pdf
Chris B,
Not sure what makes it worse? That the Malaysian order is closer to what we paid or we paid more than you thought? You would be lucky to get a C130 with the support package our A400M has for 4140 million. Interestingly enough Malaysia is not buying them to replace their C130s but to carry things like helicopters and disaster relief equipment that their C130s cannot manage.
The Indian order is reported in some place as $964 million and in other as $1.2 Billion
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-to-purchase-6-c130j-hercules-for-special-forces-02224/
$964 million
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/12/30/Indias-first-C-130-heads-for-base-in-2011/UPI-54161293709020/
$1.2 Billion
Split the diference and we have the US charging $183 million dollars for a C130J and EADS $225 million for an A400M for export to Asia.
Roughly speaking you get 5 C130J for 4 A400M.
Now the figures are pretty rough and ready but as the A400 program matures we should be looking to drive costs down (so we get some money back) and also highlighting the masssive extra capability available for less cost difference than people think.
Also when they neter service every opportunity should be taken during exercises etc to deominstrate them flying large loads long distances directly into strips that other startegic transports cannot land at and offloading kit tactical transports cannot carry.
Even if it is not stricly required.
@ APATS and Mark,
The Indian parliament was given the $964 million figure. The $1.2bn is “estimated” on a US press release. I think that favours the lower figure. Again, it was for a relatively new system with a some expensive add ons for specialist work.
As a veteran user of the Hercules many of those costs would not apply to us, for example; “… integration studies…. publications and technical documentation, …. personnel training and training equipment…. foreign liaison office support, Field Service Representatives’ services, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support”
Most of that stuff we must either already have or I guess deemed not necessary with Hercules. There’s no way we’d end up paying $180 odd million for a Hercules, not with how long we’ve had it in service and how extensive our support system is for it now.
As for “Interestingly enough Malaysia is not buying them to replace their C130s but to carry things like helicopters and disaster relief equipment that their C130s cannot manage”. And stuff that we have Globemaster for.
I don’t doubt that Atlas is more capable than Hercules. It clearly is well ahead in the performance stakes. But it’s priced more like a Globemaster while falling short of that aircrafts performance. It seems like it’s built to fill the needs of some our allies and we’ve just tagged on to something that we don’t really need, for a price that doesn’t make sense.
ChrisB,
We are buying 20 regardless. The more we sell abroad the cheaper our 20 get! A report to congress is hardly a press release.
The A400 in terms of export orders seems to be priced closer to a C130 than a C17. How many countries actually need C17 capability is the question that people should be asking.
I admit i was a sceptic before this article but have looking at the figures am slowly being converted. Maybe not for the UK but certainly for other countries and has the added attraction of being able to act as a tanker.
The $1.2bn had “estimated” attached to it, and was part of a relatively short statement. The Indian government, the people actually paying for it, were told $964 million. I trust the official statement to the customers parliamentary body more.
“The A400 in terms of export orders seems to be priced closer to a C130 than a C17″
Canada picked up 17 stretched Herc J’s for about $80 million a piece, for an aircraft that was completely new into their service. Compared with what on average looks closer to $250-300 million a pop for Atlas. I’d say Atlas is coming a lot closer to Globemaster than Hercules for price.
Now before we picked up Globemaster, Atlas was on the cards and would have taken the long range heavy lift. That I perhaps could have nodded at and said “alright”, even though for a bit extra cash you get the greater capability of the Globemaster. But now? It makes no sense.
The 2008 NAO report into Hercules was very detailed and made the point that Hercules on operations is mainly doing what you saw in that video X posted; short flights, personnel shifts, a bit of light cargo movement. The problem was identified as a severe lack of airframes to cope with all the tasks, including training in the UK, not that the Hercules was incapable of lifting anything that really needed lifting.
Chris B, The Candians are buying them to replace E and H model Hercules. There does seem to be a big difference in price between buying a Hercy if you have never used them and if you have already have some but yes the Indians seem to have been slightly ripped off as the average price is closer to $100 million an air frame across the orders I have seen.
Given TDs figure for export C17 at $500 million for a usable aircraft and support the A400M is somewhere in the middle. As it is for a lot of things.
Where it should fight for sales are orders like the Malaysian order where they need something bigger than a C130 but either do not need a C17 or need the aircraft to have proper rough field capability.
Throw in the tanker capability and it should sell if the price is about $200 million.
As for the Uk, well my post ref whta will we use to fly around 3 pallets and a loady stands. Awaiting the next parts of a fascinating post.
Relatively fascinating as it does not involve Ships.
Delving further into that NAO report, they put the price of new Hercs at about £37 million, then you need to add on some defensive aids. You’re still talking a 2:1 ratio at least of Hercules over Atlas.
Chris B
For the UK, it probably is a 2 to 1 ratio in terms of price.
Funnily enough despite being a huge fan of the A400 and believing that if the price can be held for export models at around $200 million it offers all the capability 95% of the countries in the world need from a stratetigic lifter and tanker. I cannot help but think it is less of a good fit for us.
Well prior to the C-17 purchase it could easily be argued that Atlas was perfect. It will fly the commercial routes, it will carry everything except maybe the AS90 and Challenger (but then if you’re relying on airlift to move those you have bigger problems than what aircraft they fly in, except in some rare cases), and it would have basically done everything that we expected from a heavy, strategic lift aircraft, for a price less than C-17.
But now?
Thanks to the delays we’ved ended up with 8 Globemaster and given that we have the support system in place for that, it’s possible we could bring in future C-17′s at a competitive price based on a multi-aircraft tender, and with some C-130′s stick to a two tier transport fleet (Voyager excluded, thanks to the PFI that will severely limit it’s capabilities to just personnel and the odd bit of pallet cargo).
From a cold start, head to head, you might take the Atlas because like you said, it’s the 95% solution. Now though? I think the boat has sailed somewhat.
@APATS
I am with you. I think the A400M makes a lot of sense for most nations that are using it for both a tanker and their only lifter. It strikes me that the UK has one or two projects too many in this general area. The C-17 buy, the tanker program and the A400M all seem to be stepping on one another and don’t compliment one another well at all.
Hi TD,
Again an excellent article, can’t wait for part 3. On Defence Industry Daily, they have posted an update on the C130J, which is well worth a look.
On costs, as you we all know, it really is difficult to compare because of the apples and apples scenario but don’t forget, the A400M programme costs include not only the aircraft but development (of both aircraft and engine), initial logistics, training school etc. The actual unit price of an A400 will be much lower than the £140m (programme cost divided by 22)
The C130J has cost us much more than the initial sticker price as well, not just DAS but all sorts of additional costs.
I still dont think we can say an A400 equals two C130J’s and to be honest, even if it did, so what.
The A400M can do much more in every area than a C130J so you could have a hundred C130J’s but you still couldn’t do x or y that the A400 requirements say.
Think about this for a minute…
The C130K entered RAF service in 1967, just as we were withdrawing from Aden. Go and look at images from the period, vehicles, equipment, aircraft, even how infantry were dressed.
Hold those images
Now do the same for Afghanistan, today
The C130 hold dimensions haven’t changed since then (length changes accepting)
This is the 4 tonner/SV all over, sometimes you just have to accept a step change is required and then after, you wonder how you managed without it for so long
I’m increasingly convinced the whole “total programme cost” thing conceals far more than it reveals. If you want to tot up the costs of flying training, maintenance, spares, infrastructure, and airframes, nothing stops you.
But in the other direction, if you get a big-num representing “everything vaguely to do with A400M” you can’t disaggregate it easily, and if you can’t disaggregate the costs, you can’t keep the contractor from stuffing the bill…further, it’s far too easy to accordion it by changing what is included and what is assumed (for example, interest rates or fuel prices in the distant future, or deciding to include pensions for personnel who spent 50% of their time on the A400M rather than 30% or 80%).
I think government is far too keen on “roll all your services into one easy payment!” offers. Businesses that do product bundling do so because it obfuscates the actual price of their products (think mobile phone price plans). This goes triple if there is financing involved (think those horrible BrightHouse shops selling TVs to the poor on HP), when you have the further parameters of the interest rate and the repayment period to fiddle with.
Total programme cost + Prime contractor model = Epic cost inflation (or capability erosion, depending on whether the inflation is accomodated or the order is cut).
Think Defence and Chris.B hit it on the head really.
Firstly the C130 cargo box is the same now as it was in 1967, they might of stretched some of them and the engines can haul more into the air then there is space in the hold but if the load is too wide or high forget it!
I do wonder why people obsess over hauling a tank into the air, an APC maybe but a full MBT?! As Chris.B points out things are seriously wrong if we are trying to load an aircraft with 70tons of tank! Anyhow the Point Class fast RoRo was purchased specifically to do that kind of work. If you are deploying a heavy armoured brigade then the RoRo is the best choice considering the logistics chain that has to go with them. Actually to trickle the tanks out in aircraft would take longer then just deploying on a fast RoRo!
@TD
It must be difficult to try and find a price per unit for the A400 because as you say the cost has all the development work and initial training and logistics thrown in.
I’m assuming the unit price would have been less if we had ordered more from the start? Are the German and French airframes going to be noticeably cheaper?
just out of interest, those first 4 C-17′s how much have they been hammered and how many flying hours does the frames have left? factor into that how many hours are they using per annum now, in respect to 2014, when should tail off a bit. Then again how many hours will they rack up getting whatever we are bringing back to the UK, back? i can’t see everything coming back by road/rail/sea.
I believe C17 seven and eight were purchased for the RAF mainly to help balance airframe life for the first six rather then an increase in capacity per-say!
“I still dont think we can say an A400 equals two C130J’s and to be honest, even if it did, so what”
Hmmm, I think the Atlas will have to pull off something special to come in under the price of two Herc J’s.
It’s not really about lift though is it. We have C-17 now for the over sized stuff. Hercs appear to be mainly used to run around small supply packets (under ten tons), and short distance passenger work. The main problem seems to be not enough Hercs, which is a problem that Atlas is never going to solve.