Making Sense of the F35 Decision

Or, why it does actually make a great deal of sense.

Cards on the table, I think the decision to switch back to the F35B is a good one.

Like Marvin the depressed robot in a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, the general reaction to the decision has been to adopt a sloped shoulder air of resignation, oh, ok then, it’s not ideal but better than nothing.

‘I suppose we will just have to get on with it’ is the majority view but I think it is entirely positive news and instead of sulking should view it as such.

In this post I am going to try and make sense of the decision, standing back from the mud-slinging as much as possible and then follow it up with a look forward on how we can extract maximum benefit from CVF/JCA in the future.

The choice of aircraft and configuration of the aircraft carrier is intimately connected so when people complain that the CVF is tarred with the JSF brush it seems to me to be completely missing the point.

So what were the options?

The Rafale and F18 Option

Both of these are fine aircraft.

The Rafale is arguably the more advanced of the two although I suspect it is better in some areas and worse in others and both are current generation aircraft (despite their histories) with the latest F18’s benefitting from lots of development money since it was first introduced.

In performance terms there does not seem to be a great deal between them.

However, what goes against them both is;

  • They would both require all UK weapons to be integrated, not impossible, but significant time and cost penalties would accrue
  • Both have or would have minimal industrial benefits for the UK at a time when the policy of the government is to pursue and export and manufacturing led recovery
  • Both would of course need CVF to have catapults and arrestor gear with all the attendant additional costs

With both, the UK could have benefitted from collaborative training with either the United States or French naval forces and shared logistics and supply chains to mitigate the additional costs.

We also have to ask whether either would have been that good value for money anyway, however ‘cheap’

It is at this point that we enter the murky world of trying to determine unit costs of aircraft, which as I have often said, is almost impossible for the simple reason that specifications and what is included changes between each set of published figures, even for the same type. Trying to compare two different types is even more fraught.

A relatively recent deal might at least provide some insight.

The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) purchased 24 F18’s for about £62 million each but this figure, a simple division of total by quantity, is difficult to extrapolate for a UK purchase because the cost profile is spread over a number of years and includes all sorts of non-equipment and support costs. The RAAF is already an F18 user and would not require many of the cost items the UK would, weapons integration for example.

Comparing this to the F35 is difficult because at this stage we simply do not know beyond broad estimates what the programme cost would be for a UK F35, of any variety.

However, in general terms, compared to the F35, I think it would be fair and reasonable to assume that the unit cost of an F18 would be less, but other programme costs would add to the bill, reducing the differential, perhaps to the point that there is very little difference between a similar number of F18’s and F35’s.

Although one might define the two billion Pounds invested in the F35 as part of our Tier 1 Partner obligations as ‘sunk costs’ in this scenario, the final bill for buying F18’s would at least have this as a line item for information purposes, surely?

Any cost differential would also have to be weighed against two other factors, longevity and capability.

Capability first, again, without delving too deep into the minutia does anyone actually think a brand new design such as the F35 is going to be inferior to the F18?

It stands to reason that something developed from scratch, using the latest design and technology will be superior to one from a generation earlier, no matter how that earlier generation has benefitted from incremental improvements. Some might see that as hopelessly optimistic or swallowing the Lockheed Martin Koolaid but I just see it as a logical outcome of progress in product design, the same progress we see across the entire world of product engineering.

So we would be buying an aircraft that would likely to be somewhere in the same ball park cost wise as a Typhoon but with lower performance in most areas, with little if any industrial benefit (which indirectly lowers the cost) and all the cost penalties of CV operation, just to get something on the deck of an aircraft carrier, a capability that has been strategically or tactically essential very few times in the modern era.

That the Joint Combat Aircraft is meant to fulfil a joint requirement is also often overlooked by F18 advocates.

The F18 offers more or less nothing that the Typhoon does, except operation from an aircraft carrier.

It would therefore cease to be a joint programme and I find it unlikely in the extreme that the Fleet Air Arm could sustain on its own, an aircraft like the F18, without making huge sacrifices elsewhere or eating into the other services programmes.

Not likely in the extreme.

The final nail in the FAA/F18 coffin is that of longevity. If we ordered today, it is unlikely that any UK F18’s would be operating from the deck of a CVF before the early 2020’s by which time even the most optimistic estimates would give us perhaps a decade and a half before it would potentially need to be replaced due to obsolescence issues.

We would have all the pain and cost of bringing into service and maintaining it, for less than 20 years lifespan and then have to do exactly the same; this is not a sensible use of scarce defence funds.

Similar arguments exist for the Rafale, with some differences at the margins but fundamentally the same.

There have been a number of proposals for an interim purchase of F18’s or Rafales and a migration to a, by then, mature F35C towards the end of the 2020’s. Whilst having some potential benefits you simply can’t get away from the cost issue of buying twice.

Another interesting proposal is the Sea Gripen or even Sea Typhoon but both of these exist only in PowerPoint and although offering many industrial benefits they would both leave us with a much greater time gap and with an uncertain, but likely high, development cost.

This leads me to the conclusion that if we are in the market for a new flying machine to deliver against the requirement for the Joint Combat Aircraft, the F35 represents the logical choice.

So which one, B or C?

C v B or Coke v Pepsi

Having discounted all else, the decision comes down to the F35B or the F35C.

This seems to have taken on an almost religious air but it is not the case of right or wrong, just balancing costs, capabilities and a myriad of other factors to come to an opinion on what is more appropriate for the UK.

I would like to emphasise that it is about the UK, a point that many of the more strident advocates of the F35C or F18 also downplay.

We are not the US, have a completely different set of budgetary constraints and issues and should not aspire to be either.

Future Proofing

Detractors of the F35B often point out that given the CVF’s projected lifespan of 50 years it is likely that the aircraft carrier will see multiple generations of aircraft and therefore by going for STOVL and not catapults we limit our options in the future to an, as yet to be designed, STOVL UCAV or a successor STOVL aircraft.

By hitching our wagon to the USMC instead of the USN we will not be able to move with these times.

I just don’t see this, on the 50 year lifespan number first, no doubt that is their projected life but as a comparison, the HMS Ark Royal commissioned in 1955, the one before the next one, would have been still in service during Operation Telic in 2003, not having been decommissioned in 1979 at less than 25 years old. The most recent HMS Ark Royal was in service for 26 years so if CVF stays in service for double the life of the two previous generations of Royal Navy aircraft carriers then fair enough but it will be doing much better than the two before it.

By the time it goes out of service, the Tornado will have been in use for over 40 years; the F18 was introduced in 1983 and via continuous improvement will still likely be in service for another 15 years or more.

Why do people therefore think that the F35 will be out of service before a CVF is sent for recycling, the trend is for longer equipment cycles, not shorter?

In looking far into the future there is also the option of UCAV’s to consider, unmanned combat vehicles are likely to be autonomous but there are significant technical and ethical issues to overcome and one of the features of unmanned systems is their significant range and endurance which is not limited by having on-board aircrew.

As the US concentrates on the Pacific theatre and countering a rising China, the ranges needed are equally immense. The X47B demonstrator, for example, has a range in excess of 2,000nm because these kinds of programmes need to demonstrate that range; the Pacific is a big old place and sophisticated anti-access technologies being fielded by the Chinese such as their anti-ship ballistic missiles which are specifically meant to deal with US carriers means strategic need meets technical requirements quite well.

The US is therefore looking at very long range UCAV’s because it knows in the Pacific it needs them and they must be able to fly from their CVN’s. The UK is very definitely not the US, has very different strategic aspirations and challenges and should look at equipment programmes through a UK shaped lens. Does anyone think we are going to be standing shoulder to shoulder with the USN in the Pacific theatre against the Chinese?

I know we must always be mindful of unknown strategic shock but I find this highly unlikely so to use it as a reason to spend more money we don’t have on a CV F35 seems unreasonable.

Industry

The UK is the only Tier 1 Partner in the Joint strike Fighter Programme, significant sums of public money have been invested and in return, there will be equally significant industrial and economic benefits for the UK.

We need not be somehow ashamed of this, British industry and technical knowhow will be a big part of the F35.

The difference in industrial benefits between a C or B purchase is relatively modest, on face value with the Rolls Royce ‘LiftSystem’ the UK would accrue greater benefit with a larger B purchase but without seeing the detailed agreements it would be impossible to quantify because the design, manufacture and integration work is split between the UK and US.

By confirming the F35B as the chosen aircraft for JCA it may well make the F35B a more attractive export proposition with its attendant industrial benefits for the UK.

Other elements of an F35C purchase such as the electromagnetic launch and recovery system would need to be purchased from the US with no industrial benefits, this coupled with the reduction in LiftSystem quantity would see a net loss to the UK so one might argue the F35B provides greater economic benefit to the UK for a given spend.

Range

The F35C offers greater range.

The JSF KPP for the F35C states a combat radius using internal fuel of 600 nautical miles using a USN mission profile and for the F35B, 450 nautical miles using a USMC profile.

It is clear therefore (accepting potential differences in flight profiles) that the CV variant offers much more range than the STOVL variant, some 25%.

When operating helicopters in support of ground forces CVF will have to be much closer to shore but when engaged in strike activities or defensive counter air this extended mission radius or endurance is extremely valuable.

There are however, a number of mitigating factors that although not negating this advantage do go some way to mitigating it.

When operating CV aircraft in order to provide a margin of safety operators may choose to return with a greater fuel load than in the KPP, thus reducing the effective real world range. STOVL does not have these concerns so can maximise the fuel carried.

Ranges can be extended using external fuel tanks or airborne refuelling using land based aircraft although this also applies to the CV variant of course.

Something else to consider is that the F35B will operate from conventional concrete runways much more often than the deck of a CVF. This isn’t based on dismissing naval aviation but a reality of the joint nature of the aircraft fleet and the operational reality of the Harrier. One thing I have never seen is the projected range figures for both the F35C and F35B variants when using land bases but I wonder if the differential would be the same or different?

The F35C is a clear winner in this area but as with payload and bring back weight, perhaps not as significant on operations as imagined.

Payload and Bring Back

The USMC KPP for the F35B states a short take off of just under 183 metres (137m for the UK JCA) with enough fuel for the KPP mission profile, 2 AMRAAM and 2 1000lb JDAM’s and a vertical landing bring back weight equivalent to enough fuel to safely land with an appropriate margin whilst carrying the same 2 AMRAAM and 2 1000lb JDAM’s.

The KPP also states that this will be carried out with a 10 knot wind over deck (WOD), at sea level (funnily enough!) and in a ‘tropical day’ to allay some of those East of Suez scaremongers.

The standard payload whilst performing the stated KPP mission radius for the F35C is also enough fuel for the mission and 2 AMRAAM but instead of a pair of 1,000lb JDAM’s, a pair of 2,000lb JDAM’s.

CVF has a deck length of nearly 275m.

I am not sure what the maximum payload for short take off is; it would be dependent on many factors, but CVF has some room to spare moving up from the KPP distance and of course, a ski jump.

Maximum weapon load for the F35C is 8,160kg and for the F35B, 6,800kg.

Targeting pods and defensive systems are often carried externally and would eat into this payload but with the F35, most of these are integral to the design so the useable weapon load is high.

Again, the F35C is the clear winner.

But (you knew there was going to be a but)

6,800kg is thirty Paveway IV’s or over 130 Dual Mode Brimstone (not including pylons)

It is a silly example but the point I am making here is that perhaps the real world difference might not be that significant, especially when one considers the rules of engagement in likely operations will demand greater accuracy and smaller explosive yields.

Absolute payload differentials between the two variants therefore become less of a major concern.

If we are going to use the F35B to carry Storm Shadow then the vertical landing bring back weight limitation may result in us dumping million pound missiles into the sea if they are not used because Storm Shadow is a large missile weighing in at just over 1,200kg, self-evidently, not a good thing.

If they hang up on the pylon then the implications might be even more serious so Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) is designed to use wing lift to increase the maximum landing weight and consequently, the bring back weight for unused munitions. SRVL has been in development for some time and Lockheed Martin was awarded a $13m contract in 2010 to integrate it onto the F35B.

SRVL also lowers stresses on the engine and other components so might be used as a matter of course, or at least it provides the option to do.

I don’t think the final increase in maximum weight that is enabled by the latest iteration of SRVL has been released (I might be wrong on that) but the target was between 900kg and 1,800 kg. At 1,230kg one Storm Shadow might be possible within those boundaries but not two. If we ever do introduce the Naval Strike Missile that is being developed for the F35 then at 450kg, a pair would be within the SRVL lower limit.

The Selected Precision Effects at Range (SPEAR) Capability 3 is proposed as a medium range cruise missile, almost a mini Storm Shadow, possibly using a bomb glide kit. Although there has been a lot of speculation not much has been officially released but I think it would be safe to say, it will not be anywhere near as heavy as a Storm Shadow.

Storm Shadow is arguably, the major problem for bring back and the F35B but again, in the real world, how likely are we going to be using F35B to launch Storm Shadow anyway and how many of those sorties are going to be aborted mid-air or hang up?

Beyond this there are also issues with the weight of pylons and this might impact on the bring back weight, I understand the KPP is based on a clean wing and no gun.

Bring back weight remains a serious challenge and the payload differential between the B and C on paper is not insignificant but its operational impact might be not as limiting as the naysayers would have us all believe.

Flexibility and Surge

It is accepted that operating STOVL aircraft and helicopters is much more efficient and easier than operating CV aircraft and helicopters. It is how we have operated for many decades after all and the move to CV would have required a great deal of very time consuming and very expensive work up.

This would have delayed the introduction of the capability and absorbed a much higher proportion of the aircraft fleet to maintain currency for both deck and aircrew.

Sortie rates are generally accepted to be higher with STOVL although this higher sortie rate may be countered in some scenarios by the greater endurance with CV. The F35B Key Performance Parameter for sorties rates is 4 surge and 3 sustained and 3 and 2 respectively for the F35C.

The CVF and JCA concept is designed to enable flexing of the tailored air group depending upon requirements. The norm will likely be a small number of F35B’s supplemented with varying types and quantities of Merlin, Chinook, Apache and Wildcat. The surge is much easier, because of the training requirement for deck landing and take-off is less with the B than C.

Some have suggested that the rolling vertical landing (SRVL) technique (UK only) that may be used to increase bring back payload in certain climatic conditions make deck operations as complex as CV and thus decrease this flexibility but SRVL will only have to be used in limited circumstances, if the bring back payload exceeds the USMC KPP of fuel; two 1000lb JDAM’s and two AIM-120 AA missiles. If it is used as a matter of course for other reasons then the large deck of the CVF and the extremely detailed simulation, coupled with a massive well of STOVL experience will mitigate any problems.

I find this claim that SRVL provides all the complications of CV with none of the benefits rather difficult to accept given the limited circumstances in which SRVL will be needed, of course, SRVL is not without penalty but it is hardly doom and glom either.

Advances in avionics, landing aids and synthetic training environments could reduce the need for CV training but it seems doubtful that this will ever reach anywhere need the small training requirement for deck operations on the B model.

In short, STOVL makes it quicker and easier to surge aircraft onto CVF should that surge ever be needed, which would be unusual in any event.

So what if CV needs more training, it is a fair enough question to ask.

The problem is that it would take a disproportionate slice out of the training calendar because the UK will have only a modest fleet of F35’s. This would therefore reduce the effective numbers available for use because more would be used for training.

The vast majority of time the UK JCA will be operating from conventional land bases, operations at sea will be the exception so we should look at allowing the largely land based aircrew to transition to sea as easily and cheaply as possible, CV does not do this, by STOVL does.

A mission might see JCA operated from CVF and transition to a land base, this land base might have been damaged and this is where the concept of operating from forward bases can be useful. The Harrier proved the operational viability of operating from forward bases or temporarily damaged air bases in the Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Although not likely to be used often, and the definition of austere might be interesting to look at, it is something that the F35B can do which the F35C cannot.

This basing flexibility is at the heart of the intentional performance trade-offs with STOVL. As an example, when planning the KPP for STOVL operations the USMC calculated that across the most likely operating environments there are eight times as many runways in existence that can be used for the F35B compared to the F35C and this is before we even examine the options for expeditionary airfield construction. The USMC is very firmly wedded to the concept of expeditionary basing and although the UK is less so, it is something I think that we need to reaffirm as a key advantage of the F35B.

Given the weight and vertical thrust of the F35B operating it from the deck (or flat space) of any ship other than one specially designed for it is not viable but emergency recovery is something that can be done with an F35B. It would likely result in damage to whatever it landed on and take that ship out of normal operations but given the value of the pilot and aircraft this might still save a lot of money and provide an option to save a pilot. This is not a hugely significant advantage of the F35B but it does provide options that are not available to the F35C.

CV makes CVF more specialised, STOVL makes it more flexible.

Interoperability

This always seemed to be a rather weak argument in favour of the switch and many believe it was just cover for the Anglo French defence cooperation agreement.

However, it is certainly true that a CV optimised CVF would enable US and French navy aircraft to operate from its decks and vice versa.

In reality, this is harder to achieve than say.

Different aircraft require different equipment for maintenance and launch/recovery and there have been some concerns that for the Charles de Gaul, the deck might not have the strength to accommodate the F35C.

Assuming that the F35B provides no interoperability with allies is also incorrect, the USMC will be operating the F35B and other Harrier using nations such as Italy and Spain will also likely introduce the F35B. An increased number of F35B’s will reduce the unit cost and with three European nations potentially operating it the opportunities for interoperability seem greater. Those who see European cooperation as both a good thing and inevitable should see three nations with the same mode of operating fast jets at sea is better than two, all we need now is for the French to buy F35B!

We also have to ask beyond if, why.

It has already been made very clear that the agreement on interoperability between the French and UK would amount to no more than coordinating refit periods. The US Navy might find it convenient to operate its F35C’s off a CVF but just how realistic does anything actually think this is.

Come on, really.

It might be equally convenient to operate UK F35C’s from a USN carrier but for what reason, do they not have enough aircraft or something?

I think this one is a score draw between the F35B and F35C; we will have interoperability with the F35B, just with different nations and forces.

Carrier availability for the UK is far more important than interoperability with allies any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Risk

If the F35B is cancelled then we have nowhere to go so in this respect it represents a higher risk option. If we were to go for the F35C and it was cancelled then a fall back of F18, Rafale or maybe even a development of the Gripen NG become possible.

It was risk that underpinned the original decision to switch; the F35B was looking shaky, under ‘probation’ and surrounded by rumours of cancellation. The publication date of the SDSR meant that some decision was needed within the publication schedule.

Two years later and the risk profile has changed considerably, despite still having many challenges, much progress has been made and the F35C is now having its own collection of problems.

All new aircraft developments have their attendant risks; it seems from the outside looking in that both variants have their own collection, with most of them overplayed by an agenda driven media.

Ultimately, risk is cost, if the risk that the F35B is cancelled it will be very expensive but then it would also be expensive if the F35C was cancelled.

When I read the huge volume of materials posted online that proclaim the F35 to be a lemon, every change in specification a disaster and every setback a double disaster I tend to glass over. It is easy to slag off the F35 because it is expensive, it is late and it is in the public eye but is this any different to other ultimately successful programmes?

I just don’t think it is and I find it simply unbelievable that the Western World’s top aeronautical engineers and companies will not make it a success.

The simple truth is any transformational programme with ambition has risk, the F35 is not a simple incremental improvement to an existing design.

That is not to say it is out of the woods, significant challenges remain but let’s not assume that simply because the aircraft has developmental problems in the middle of its development programme that the sky is going to fall in and we are gambling the family silver on a 100-1 outsider.

AEW, AAR and COD

One of the potential additional costs of CV was the likely need to develop an airborne refuelling capability for the F35C to support recovery refuelling. This could have been extended to provide additional range for a strike package without using land based AAR.

The need for Carrier Onboard Delivery for CVF has never been widely discussed but the need for airborne early warning should be obvious. The current system, the Sea King ASaC Mk 7 goes out of service in 2016 and the successor programme called CROWSNEST has now been confirmed as having secured funding.

By going for a CVF aircraft with catapults and arrestor gear many thought the road would be clear for a purchase of the E2D Hawkeye and even the C2 Greyhound for the COD role.

This was always fantasy.

In the vast majority of operations the RAF’s E3’s will be used for wide area airborne early warning and control with a CVF based solution for shorter range gap filling and in very few operations, this wider area deployment.

The contribution of the Type 45 and the impact of potential UAV based technologies should also be considered when looking at this issue.

The potential for a CV AEW and COD aircraft was the weakest argument for the original switch to CV.

Cost and the Final (again) Decision

This is of course the ‘big un’ and whilst we might discuss the finer points of bring back weights or UCAV’s the decision to revert to the F35B was very much about the Pound notes.

The bottom line of F35 costs is this, we simply do not know beyond estimates and something else that people often do not appreciate is this, JCA is not yet passed Main Gate and thus, no budget has been allocated for the demonstration and manufacture phase, in short, we don’t know how much each one costs and we don’t know how much we have to spend.

I do find it rather bemusing to watch the massed ranks of internet forum members, bloggers and think tank researchers clutching at the definitions of LRIP and flyaway, open source documents and internet information to try and get some sort of meaningful comparison between different deals, different aircraft, different nations and different systems. Most of this information is hugely complex and hugely commercially confidential; hence the degree of variability of that in the public domain.

This is difficult with aircraft in production, let alone those that are in development.

One of the first posts I published on Think Defence was a question, does anyone actually know how much the F35 will be.

The short answer was very few people, if any.

Which leads me to the conclusion that cost comparisons can only be made in very general terms and we should leave detailed cost comparisons to those in possession of the actual figures.

I can’t do a post about this subject without being a bit of a smug git, I am sure you will allow me just a little bit of ‘told you so’

On August 7th 2010 I said

Therefore, for cost reasons, the F35B is the right choice.

On September 13th 2010 I asked the following questions;

  • How does changing the design and construction of CVF at this late stage save money
  • How does adding several hundred million pounds for catapults save money
  • How does maintaining those catapults for 40 years save money
  • How do the extra catapult maintainers wages, pensions and other costs over 40 years save money
  • How does the extra cost of maintaining perishable carrier operations skills save money
  • How does scrapping the 3 F35B’s we have purchased as part of the operational evaluation phase save money

I finished that post by asking this

Am I being thick?

Because I could not understand how the leaks coming out of the MoD prior to the publication of the SDSR that trailed the switch to the F35C were characterised as some sort of cost saving.

I was genuinely puzzled and so it turned out I wasn’t being thick at all, it was the other people!

Several times since then I have asked the same questions and came to the same conclusions, the F35B is actually the cheapest option, not in isolation, but across the whole of defence.

Although it is only a gut feeling because I do not have sight of any detailed costing, I have remained constant on that and continue to do so.

Events would seem to vindicate that opinion.

This conclusion was not based on being omnipotent or ultra-wise but on the simple fact that it was exactly the same reason that the F35B was selected in the first place and although there was some cost growth, not much changed since.

One can imagine the costing spreadsheet used to support the decision was incredibly complex with many scenarios and permutations.

In my Forward to Plan B post last month I tried to summarise where costs would lie;

Deck Crew; estimates vary but a solid assumption is that conventional carrier operations need more deck crew that STOVL; shore accommodation, welfare, pensions, pay and all the other capitation costs we know about.  Some of these can be mitigated with sharing arrangements but fundamentally, it is an additional cost.

Flight Crew; although synthetic environments and the F35’s flight control systems hold a great deal of promise, the assumption must be that maintaining carrier qualifications will require more aircraft, more aircrew and more time. This drives up cost or reduces availability. Where that relationship settles is open for discussion but the basic assumption should be we will need more time/crew or accept less mission availability and reduce the ability to rapidly surge in a crisis.

Catapults and Arrestor Gear; no sensible option exists other than the US EMAL’s and associated recovery equipment which is an additional capital cost and significant through life cost. Certainly cheaper than steam but still a considerable extra cost although the risk of it failing to deliver seems remote.

Recovery Refuelling; if we operate the CTOL F35C we need a means of safely providing emergency recovery refuelling but given that no customer exists for the F35C except the USN and they have plenty of other options we would have to fund that ourselves. This would not be an insurmountable problem but at what cost?

What I didn’t cover was the cost of actually converting the CVF to accept catapults and arrestor gear or factor in the number of aircraft used to deliver against a set of mission requirements, this latter variable was part of the rear guard leaking that took place recently.

CVF was supposed to be adaptable; many critics have latched onto this and assumed that converting to catapults and arrestor gear would simply be a case of opening a compartment, dropping in a bit of kit and hey presto. There is no way, they claim, that the reported multi billion cost can be correct, it is a conspiracy by the Carrier Alliance to inflate costs and squeeze yet more money from a gullible MoD.

The estimate from the US that was reportedly much less is interesting but again, caution must be exercised and those apples must be compared with apples.

Whatever the figure and however it might seem incredulous the simple fact is it must be taken as correct. It may well include a high degree of risk cost, it might well be erring on the high side but surely this is actually a good thing because it displays a cautious approach to cost growth that most would agree has been absent for many years at the MoD.

I suspect there was some degree of artistic licence with the word ‘adaptable’

If the project was going to take another decade to come to fruition then scope for even further cost escalation should be obvious to all as well.

On the cost comparisons between individual aircraft, maybe the additional maintenance cost of the F35B is neatly offset by the additional maintenance and CV operating costs of going for the F35C, if so, the cost of conversion then becomes a big issue.

What is a major issue is how this cost estimate proved to be so wildly wide of the mark and when reality dawned, it was obvious there was no other choice, unless that is of course, carrier strike would be pursued at the expense of other services and other projects.

Again, not likely in the extreme

On the issue of needing more aircraft for a given mission set then to this I would simply ask a couple of questions, in what circumstances and how old were the assumptions behind those missions.

To that I would comment that the UK armed forces post SDSR have shrunk, we have accepted we will be doing less with less, CVF and JCA is no different.

Decisions Decisions

The MoD has had some time during which to analyse every last aspect of the decision, unlike before the original reversion was made.

For me, this was an unforgivable mistake, making such a fundamental decision, setting wheels in motion and incurring huge cost before a level of assuredness had been achieved that the decision was the correct one, based on detailed analysis not finger in the air guessing.

Without knowing the full picture, being privy to all the briefings or information provided to Liam Fox and his advisors we can’t pin the blame but the simple fact is, a decision was made on incomplete evidence.

In all fairness, the cost, but not the decision was always subject to further investigation, the SDSR was actually quite clear on this. Soon after, questions were tabled in the House of Commons to which the MoD had no answer, time after time, and not just on carrier strike, an MP would ask an SDSR related question to which the published answer was ‘dunno’

Alarm bells should have been ringing in the press and opposition benches.

Again, without sounding like too much of a smug git, I have written several times about this uncertainty. In my smug git party were a small number of commenters on specialist forums who had a similar view so I must say thank you to them for helping me to understand I was not in fact being a lunatic.

There was a huge degree of hubris behind the announcement and in the mutual backslapping that followed, where the talk was of being a proper navy, assuming our God given right to be second only to the US Navy and returning to the glory days, none of the professional commenters like defence journalists or think tanks actually questioned any of this.

Last month, whilst the rumours and leaks abounded of a reversal I said that the decision would not be about aircraft variants or ‘cats and flaps’ but about the MoD’s financial credibility and the obvious need to regain it because that is the MoD’s most precious commodity.

The announcement by Phil Hammond on changes to the F35 variant was part of that mission to regain credibility and the recent statement to the House of Commons on MoD’s budget being bought back into balance was another.

The decision to revert was therefore all about cost but how did the original change of heart happen, how was such a fundamental error made.

Books will no doubt be written one day on this subject but I have a theory that says the change decision driven from the top down; influenced by a number of factors but ultimately made on the basis of false assumptions and politicians, aided by a derelict defence establishment that did not exercise enough rigour in challenging those assumptions.

That theory starts with a solid understanding and operational analysis of the F35B and a STOVL CVF concept as applied to defence planning assumptions and operational experience.

In the middle is what I think was a fundamental misunderstanding of this concept in the minds of politicians, the defence select committee, media commenters and even some in the services. So whilst it seems that this flexible arrangement of blending command facilities, fixed wing and rotary aviation to meet the demands of a wide range of mission requirements was firmly bedded into the original concept for CVF and JCA, in the minds of others it wasn’t.

An example of how this manifested itself is the continual reference to having the capability to embark 36 aircraft. 36 aircraft was the most demanding compliment and seen as something of an unusual scenario against many, not the norm, but it is often referred to.

The disconnect continued throughout the SDSR period, perhaps the words ‘Carrier Strike’ played part of this misunderstanding, strike was one of a number of missions.

We based our decision to opt for the F35B to fulfil the Joint Combat Aircraft (JCA) requirement on many years detailed operational analysis, all of a sudden, and to the surprise of almost everyone in the project team, the switch was announced. There is only anecdotal evidence to suggest this element of surprise in those involved but if true is quite telling and would reinforce the notion of a rushed decision making process.

Where did the push for the change come from and on what evidence was it made?

I suggest it came from the top down, a political decision from Liam Fox, advisors with vested interests and influenced by an extremely vocal Royal Navy lobby, a media environment which often paints the Royal Navy as a ‘victim’ and a range of senior service personnel who saw the opportunity for greater capabilities, bragging rights and some degree of service aggrandisement.

They had a collective rush of blood to the head and reverted to typical MoD behaviour, hoping that funding would be found for the second CVF and praying that quick estimates would turn out to be correct, pushing further decision out to the future and being seduced by all the capabilities on offer.

The decision was made before the detailed analysis was completed, as I mentioned above, this is not news and was explicit within the SDSR that costs would be determined via the means of a multi-million Pound study.

The estimates were wholly incorrect, as estimates sometimes are.

The detailed and exhaustive operational analysis that was carried out post SDSR by the people with total command of all the facts would have also made quite plain the operational impact of only having one hull and the likely cost driven impact of the switch on all sorts of capabilities across the services.

Reality met aspiration and so, we are where we are, there really was no other choice to be made.

Summary and Look Forward

The decision is made, no point in sulking or moaning about it and I for one think it was the correct one anyway. I still find it rather exasperating that the original reversion decision was made that has cost us two years and a lot of money but it is water under the bridge now.

We should now look forward to maximising our investment and that will be the subject of the next post.

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288 thoughts on “Making Sense of the F35 Decision

  1. Frenchie

    The Rafale is outdated, its first flight dates from 1986, its unit cost is € 100 million, in 2020 it will begin to think about his successor. Buy the F-35B is a good thing for you. And apart that, what about the new prototype of Super Hornet, possibility of vertical take-off version ?

  2. Monty

    Excellent summary. I entirely agree with your conclusion.

    In the unlikely event that a major flaw was found in the F-35B and it required a redesign. Would it be cancelled or merely delayed? If it were cancelled, what could we do? Re-open the Harrier production line. Or revert to cats and traps? Can you imagine the fuss?

  3. Wstr

    “..Carrier availability for the UK is far more important than interoperability with allies any day of the week and twice on Sundays.”

    This x1000. In an ideal, money no object world, there could be two CTOL carriers up and running with full airwings and helos offloaded to an accompanying amphib group of two LHDs. Also the sun wouldn’t have set on the British Empire and the fleet could drop into a RN yard in Singers for a pink gin. As affordability rears its unwelcome head, its far better to have at least the potential for two STOVL carriers (thus at least one for 100% year round UK availability) than the near certainty of only one CTOL which will need periodic 3-6 mth refits. There are times we are going to want to head East of Suez or South of Ascension, when the French will not; temporary RN/RAF Sqn based onboard be damned.

  4. Frenchie

    Share two aircraft carriers between France and UK was a crazy idea, our requirements are not yours, it’s better that you have two aircraft carriers.

  5. Simon

    I was going to pick holes in a lot of the above because even though you’re probably not intending to be biased you are (quick example – 25% extra range of C over B – can you not do maths?)

    Well, I say biased, maybe I just mean smug ;-)

    However, I’d like to suggest that the decision for STOVL is based entirely on cost grounds – nothing more. You’re right that few know the real costs of many of the areas that would need addressing for CATOBAR but there’s an order of magnitude increase in capability by having:

    1. 30 x F35C sitting 300nm off shore providing 3 x CAP/CAS pairs circling over 3 x Commando Battalions with vertical assault and support being provided by a cheap HMS Ocean replacement (or sensible first-of-class LHD to ultimately replace Albion/Bulwark).

    and

    2. 12 x F35B sitting 200nm off shore providing cover for 900 Marines landed from the same ship interleaving assault operations with continuous overhead jet presence.

    or

    3. 12 x F35B sitting 50nm off shore providing cover for 1200 Marines landed from the same ship using Chinook with a further 600 Marines covered by a small (short ranged) Apache squadron.

    In order to stop the rant – the simple difference is standoff. The STOVL solution brings £6b of ship and air assets very, very close to shore instead of committing only £2b close in with a remaining £8b sitting miles away.

    It seems many are not seeing the bigger VFM picture.

    But, if we can’t afford it – we simply can’t afford it :-(

  6. Mark

    Excellent piece TD and I’ve only been able to skim thru it will read again later. I believe the srvl approach is hoping to improve bring back by 2-4klbs above its vlbb us marine requirement so as you say a added bonus.

  7. Gibsnag

    Out of interest, in the CATOBAR & F35C hypothetical universe why was running E2Ds just a fantasy?

  8. Simon257

    TD
    A very good article as usual.
    I have suggested it before. If we ever needed to launch a Long Range Strike whilst using a F35B with Storm Shadow. It should be possible to put Fuel Tanks in the Weapon Bays, so giving us the extra range we may require.

    Slightly off Topic.. Has anyone come up with a STOVL UCAV concept?

  9. wf

    @TD: a thoughtful post. I might take umbrage at “The potential for a CV AEW and COD aircraft was the weakest argument for the original switch to CV”. In fact, it’s probably one of the best since the RAF has even fewer E3′s and AAR platforms it could spare for the long distance relay required than it has Typhoons for the same.

    As a lot of people would aver, the biggest issue with the F35B is the risk: bring back capacity is already small, there’s limited growth potential in the F135, and rolling landings without a hook is high risk (a barrier may damage the aircraft). We shall see, but I still wish that 2002 saw the decision to order F18 with cats and traps. It would actually be in service now…

  10. Topman

    @ Simon257

    I haven’t seen one up close yet but I don’t think they are very big. It might be doable later down the line but they don’t look as if there is enough space to take anything more than 200kgs each?

  11. ArmChairCivvy

    TD, apt summary (every spec change and double disasters. – In 2008, in Aviation Week Bill Sweetman still remembers where the requirements came from, giving the specs. Sorry about a long quote, thought it worthwhile):

    “JSF – “Maneuvering is Irrelevant”
    Posted by Bill Sweetman 8:01 PM on Oct 02, 2008
    …the 1995 statement of its godfather, George Muellner, still stands: it is 70 per cent air-to-ground and 30 per cent air to air. Consider the USAF, by far the largest customer, in 1995. It was expecting to get 442 F-22s, which would dominate any foreseen air threat (a major regional power) for decades. It was four years after Desert Storm, where the F-117 had been the star, combining stealth and precision attack into an overwhelming force multiplier.

    Looking back, the USAF was clearly seeking something that would do the F-117 job while remedying its limitations. The F-117 was a clear-night system, unable to bomb in adverse weather or survive in daylight, and could not hit all the targets covered by other strike aircraft.

    The JSF requirement was built around an F-117′s internal weapon load. It added a radar and GPS-guided weapons for all-weather attack. It added situational awareness (that is, an EW system capable of detecting, identifying and avoiding pop-up threats) and AAMs for self-defense, for daytime survivability. Finally, it added external pylons for the “day two” missions and the entire target set tackled by F-16s.

    All this had to fit inside the tightest limitation imposed by the joint-service JSF concept, which was size: the Marines and the UK wanted (but didn’t get) an aircraft no bigger than an F/A-18C.

    Within those limits, the JSF could not be designed for the supersonic cruise and maneuverability that had been included in the F-22″

  12. All Politicians are the Same

    Simon et al. Who mentioned operating from 200 or 300NM offshore? The only way we are getting anything heavier than a landy ashore is by utilising LCUs and the Albions and Bays who between them can easily land a commando plus by boat and be used to refuel Chinook, Merlin etc and launch them for a first wave.
    We do not and have never claimed an ability to either stage an opposed landing or a landing from 200NM so I am afraid that TD is perfectly correct that the F35B fits easily into our actual doctrine rather than some internet fantasy of a US type capability.

  13. Simon257

    Topman
    I don’t think anyone will let you anywhere near one with a Tape Measure in hand!!
    But if there’s a will, there’s a way!!

  14. Simon257

    Topman
    I don’t think any one will let you anywhere near one with a Tape Measure in hand!!
    But if there’s a will, there’s a way!!

  15. R L-C

    I’m still not convinced that STOVL is what we need. But with the choices already made I suppose its an OK decision. but it will be strange for CVN to carry around 12 F35 and 12-20 helos when it can take double that, Unless it’s also going to do some transporting of strike infantry.

  16. Topman

    @ Simon257

    Well there’s not many postings on the F35 so far, but if you don’t ask… :)

  17. Simon

    APATS,

    Who’s actual doctrine? Yours? The RAFs?

    Doesn’t UK’s military doctrine (if you wish to call it that) indicates a “manoeuvrist approach” and “an ethos of accepting risks”.

    Isn’t our doctrine based on historical evidence (how did we do it last time)?

    Doesn’t that mean that the Falklands plays a large part – which was an opposed landing with jets operating from maximum range (200nm).

    What doctrine do you refer to that implies we want risk 65,000 tonnes of steel as quickly as possible?

  18. Mike

    “In the vast majority of operations the RAF’s E3’s will be used for wide area airborne early warning and control with a CVF based solution for shorter range gap filling and in very few operations”

    Something many forget.

    Great post TD.

    I think its gone too far now re the B, too much money and too much political capital; there wont be any cancellations, Next gen bomber/USN figher be damned.
    The USMC are close to garotting certain USN aviation higher-ups.

    No doubt people will still harp on about the Cats and ‘flaps’ :P

  19. Waddi

    Another advantage the B may have over the C is the use of vectored thrust and the possibilities this may have in relative manoeuvrability. Watching the video of the F35B taking off from The Wasp with nozzle pointed at the deck does raise the possibility. No doubt this has not been written into the flight software yet and will be many years off before some brave test pilot tries it, but there must be scope for “viffing” style activities just as there are with the Harrier. Ultimately with such development and pilots pushing the envelope could the B out handle a SU30 or F22? Not so much a bomb truck but a dogfighter?

  20. Waddi

    Agreed for a full Viff, but would guess that is only needed for when the lift fan is engaged. Could still have SU 30 style handling by just vectoring the exhaust nozzle?

  21. All Politicians are the Same

    Simon, Doctrine as laid down in BR1806 and taught on amphibous ops courses etc. The Falklands was not an opposed landing on the beach! The manouvre phase was opposed and Argentinian aircraft attacked San Carlos but the landing was not opposed by ground troops on the beach.
    The carriers were kept offshore as the loss of a carrier was seen as a Political Mission kill. The CVF BG capabilities will be afr greater than in 1982 especially as regards the ability to defend the carrier supply CAP and neutralise enemy air power.
    You also have to look at planning assumptions, which peer enemy are we going to engage as a UK only TF?
    The fact is that we cannot get heavy equipment across the beach other than in LCUs so we will be putting our bays and LPds into 6 Nm or less.
    There will have been helo and SF landings already but the heavy kit will go in from close to the beach.
    Why would the carrier be 200Nm offshore? Why not 100NM? why not 50NM?
    You are going to be at action stations your escorts closed up, aircraft up. What is the difference between 50NM and 200NM?
    The only possible justification would be if you wanted to keep the carrier out of range of a sophisticated enemy air force but the whole point of being on the offensive is that you have neutralised or seriously compromised the enemy’s ability to interfere with any landing before it begins.

  22. Simon

    The Other Chris,

    Are you implying it won’t “viff” up just a tad?

    Looking at some pictures I can see what you mean, doesn’t look like it can much does it.

  23. Simon

    APATS,

    I agree the amphibs would be up close (well Albion with Bay over the horizon).

    “Why would the carrier be 200Nm offshore? Why not 100NM? why not 50NM?…What is the difference between 50NM and 200NM?”

    Land launched Exocet (or similar)? Supergun?

    I’ll look up and read BR1806. Thanks.

  24. The Other Chris

    @Simon

    Afraid so, that far from COG and the airframe would just pivot nose-down and the aerodynamics would dig in.

    It’s arguable that the roll post thrust could offset this, but to maintain stability you need the LiftFan engaged.

    A positive aspect of the LiftFan is that it should allow a longer hover period than the Harrier which could hover only as long as its water cooling reservoir held out (~90s IIRC).

    The clutch overheating is the main limiter on hover duration for now. It will be a thermodynamics / material sciences solution that either reduces the heat build up and transfer, mitigate the effect of the heat or a solution somewhere in-between. Nothing as serious as potentially changing the size or position of the tailhook bay on the C model and risking structural changes for example.

  25. All Politicians are the Same

    Simon, The idea is to suppress the enemy ability to engage you, especially with land based TELAR and gun positions. Remember that 50NM is still well over the horizon so how are they targeting you? take away their ability to OTHT and you take away their ability to engage you.
    if the amphibs and escorts are close in doing an offload any systems the enemy do have will be targeting them not a carrier 50Nm out so at that stage the reduced transit time and extra endurance becomes well worth it.

  26. Simon

    APATS,

    Just had a quick gander through BR1806. Doesn’t seem to say anything about risking the carrier unnecessarily. Doesn’t really seem to state much really. It’s as vague as I guessed it would be.

    50nm is over-the-horizon to land based surveillance, but not AEW assets which can “target” you and be defended by land based SAMs. In addition, you’re forgetting that 50nm is easily in range of small raiding/patrol craft that can designate a carrier as a missile target – not to mention these new hydrogen fuel celled subs.

    I’d want to park my carrier outside of the range of the thing that can sink me (missile) leaving me to worry only about a submarine or large surface threat (torpedo).

    Sorry, I just think it’s a mad proposal. You’re assuming you’re assaulting a third world nation rather than retaking land from a formidable aggressor.

  27. Peter Elliott

    Simon

    You put your finger on the nub of a difficult problem. We are however effectively talking about 2 different scenarios.

    In scenario (1) we are talking about a limited operation in a relatively permissive environment. The single QEC can come in the 50nm needed to operate a high density of both fixed wing and rotary in support of the amphibious operation.

    The scenario (2) we are talking about a war against a tooled up peer oponent. We have to assume we would send the whole RN including both QEC#1 operating mostly fast jets and either QEC #2 or a future LPH operating mostly rotary. The FJ carrier sits 200nm out and provides theatre security, topcover and CAP. The LPH/Commando carrier sits closer in and supports the landing with rotary transport and AH CAS.

    Swings and roundabouts. Management of risk. Horses for courses.

  28. Peter Elliott

    Where it could all go pear shaped is if we start what we think is a category (1) operation only to find it deteriorates into a category (2) bunfight.

    The time to be worried is when a politician uses the phrase “without a shot being fired”

  29. All Politicians are the Same

    Simon, You mean I am actually looking at planning assumptions! Note I also added on Amphib Op planning courses.

    An AEW asset sitting at 1000ft plus looking for a carrier OTH is going to be target practice for sea viper or an F35B. Land based SAM sites are really utilised for protecting other land based assets and not against air SAMs or AAM. If T26 gets the oto melara lightweight 5 inch gun we will be able to conduct NGS at 70NM. SSKs can operate anywhere and you will have st up a surface exclusion zone around the HVU.

    it is about projecting power not hiding.

  30. Simon

    Peter Elliott,

    Agreed. But in scenario (2) we’re operating at 200nm rather than the 300nm that a CATOBAR can operate from.

    The current STOVL F35B is based on scenario (1) but I pay my taxes for defense, not picking on some undefended little third-world nation. I pay my taxes so that scenario (2) is covered. So that when Brazil take The Falklands (or Ascension) “in the name of” the South Atlantic Alliance we stand a reasonable chance of wresting it back.

    I’m simply trying to out-range my opponent to mitigate losses. Everyone else seems intent on burying their heads in the sand to mitigate expense. Just keep a close eye on Brazil’s navy (-_o)

  31. Simon

    APATS,

    “it is about projecting power not hiding.”

    Yup, and every boxer knows the best thing to do is get in at short range and pummel each other on the off chance that you get a good shot in? Movement and range. Simple.

    It’s no different with a military clash between peers.

  32. All Politicians are the Same

    Simon, Scenario 2 is covered. covered to the best of our tax paying ability and with a Carrier available 365 24/7 and a possibility of 2.
    Unless of course you tier 2 enemies are too stupid to realise our 1 conventional carrier is well into a refit and time their op. Rendering you scenario 2 irrelevant.

  33. Fluffy Thoughts

    Pax:

    The 2 QEC with F35-B are were we are at. What I find irratating are the abundent scenarios of potential – erm – nothingness.

    For example:

    Any FI situation will see Special-Forces working with “locals” identifiying targets. Along comes QE-ARG group with T-45, T-23/6 and Trafalgar/Astute. Any ‘OTH Exocets’ lauchers will be TACTOM/Storm-Shadow’ed (along with local/regional C2) from > 500nm. [Point of 'lift', not necessarily 'launch'.]

    It’s not the best we can have hoped for, but it’s better then the French…! :D

  34. Peter Elliott

    Simon

    Sure I’d like more range. More internal fuel, organic carrier AAR. I’d like 3 CATOBAR carriers with AEW up to 10,000m, 30 Frigates, 20 Destroyers, 20 SSN and half a dozen LHD.

    What we’ve got is what we can afford. I think its enough for today’s threat.

    If Brazil or anyone else actually creates a big, viable threatening navy (rather than just talking about it) we can build up too based on firm foundations.

  35. Fat Bloke on Tour

    All PATS @ 15.19

    I take it this is another lesson you never learned from the FI?
    Your analysis fails if the target has any mountains / hills close to the shore.
    At least we will be safe if we take on the Dutch.

  36. Simon

    APATS,

    Sorry, I was never a proponent of just one CATOBAR – both + LPH. I even did a little diagram to show why it was unlikely because of the expense. Doesn’t mean I like the outcome and it certainly doesn’t mean that the outcome is great.

  37. Not a Boffin

    “I just don’t see this, on the 50 year lifespan number first, no doubt that is their projected life but as a comparison, the HMS Ark Royal commissioned in 1955, the one before the next one, would have been still in service during Operation Telic in 2003, not having been decommissioned in 1979 at less than 25 years old. The most recent HMS Ark Royal was in service for 26 years so if CVF stays in service for double the life of the two previous generations of Royal Navy aircraft carriers then fair enough but it will be doing much better than the two before it.”

    Couple of obvious points TD. Ark IV was designed when her aircraft weighed significantly less than 10 tonnes (Sea Hawk for example) and before most of the advances (angled deck, steam cat etc) that made operation of heavier aircraft possible. Her construction also started during the war, so large parts of her were considerably older than a 1955 commissioning date might suggest. When she left service, she was throwing 25 te aircraft off the deck – point is she was designed when aircraft growth was spiralling and took on a lot of weight herself to accommodate them. At some point it becomes uneconomic to do more. In any case, she was withdrawn as a result of a political decision.

    Ark V illustrates perfectly the problems with small ships. She was viable with the Harrier (itself a major aberration in aircraft size – wonder what drove that?) and could never have operated the F35B. Nor could she comfortably have accommodated sufficient aircraft. Nor could she have been easily modified to do so. Her safety certification would also have become an issue in the not too distant future as well.

    QEC on the other hand has been designed to be big enough from the off. The margins built into the ship will allow her to reach 50 years – much as the US CVNs can do. Vengeance managed nearly 50 years on a much reduced airgroup and so will Foch. So to suggest that based on previous Arks she won’t achieve a service life like that is a bit misleading. Budgetary issues are more likely to kill the ships as they reduce aircraft numbers, ship numbers and personnel numbers across the Forces, carriers or no carriers.

    Irrespective of increasing trends in aircraft longevity, it is therefore highly likely that QE will have to operate another type of f/w aircraft beyond F35, be it inhabited or otherwise. STOVL fundamentally compromises that – does anyone really think that a STOVL F35 would have been pursued by the USMC alone had there not been the UK RN, the RAF and the other Euro navies offering the option of a longer production run when the project was started? That is unlikely to be the case twenty years form now, so whatever comes after F35 will need some serious thinking to get it aboard the ship, but that’s for another generation and another argument.

    I personally think that the SDSR decision was based on the perceived risk of the B variant at the time (people forget just how much trouble it was in), whereas cats and traps at least allowed fallback options. At that time it was very sensible, still is in my opinion, but the costs presented for conversion obviously skew that decision.

    I don’t think anyone credible believed that the “adaptable” design equalled “fit to receive” or even “for but not with”. “Adaptable” always was quite simply a ship able to be converted by virtue of it’s configuration and margins inherent in the design. However, given that PoW would have been largely starting from scratch, with a defined set of hardware it is inconceivable that the work content of the conversion would absorb between 12M and 20M manhours however you slice it. I have designed and built complex ships and I do know what the work content would be like. I’d love to review those costs, but it’s never going to happen.

    Adding DLOD costs to the “conversion” is most definitely not comparing apples with apples, particularly when you refer to personnel cost over 40 years, which are outwith the 10 year EPP, ditto training. I understand why people think they should be in, but they don’t necessarily get applied across the board. The £16Bn quoted for Typhoon most certainly does not include those sorts of cost.

    However, the decision is made and as long as the aircraft proceeds (let’s just hope eh?), hopefully all will end well if far more expensively than it could and should have been. That is little to do with the post SDSR furore and more to do with the previous six years worth of fannying about.

    One final thing. Continual references to the DPA are all well and good. They change and certainly have done since the inception of the ships. It will be interesting to see how they look in the 2015 review which now Uncle Sam is calling the European bluff will, for the first time, have to either :

    A) Accept that the UK and Europe can no longer do things in “our” backyard, or

    B) Accept that some of the “difficult” things will have to be done by the heavier hitters in Europe, probably us or France.

    As soon as a half-capable airforce is in the Opfor (Egypt anyone?), then things might get interesting. Good thing we built ships capable of taking enough aircraft in the first place.

  38. The Other Chris

    @Not a Boffin

    Harrier size was primarily determined on the thrust/weight/size of the early Pegasus used in the P.1127.

    The Pegasus itself being determined by the component engines used to develop it (Bristol Orpheus as the first stage driving selected components of a heavily modified Olympus).

  39. Not a Boffin

    TOC. Correct, well done. In other words the airframe weight and available payload was driven by the vertical thrust available to the engine.

    Nothing to do with the requirements for performance and radars, missiles, range etc that were driving the design of naval aircraft like Scimitar, Sea Vixen, Buccaneer, Phantom, A7, A6, F14 etc.

    Pure accident that this ended up with an aircraft sufficiently small that it could operate from the helicopter carrier that became CVS.

  40. The Other Chris

    Pretty much, yes. The P.1127 was built with light strike in mind: i.e. anything beyond its VTOL performance was great.

    The P.1154 was more of a ground up design and the Pegasus 100 more fully considered engine. It’s a shame it never saw full production, imagine what the latest generation in the engine family could achieve with the latest manufacturing techniques and material science. Its performance back then was pretty awesome.

  41. Mark

    TD

    I do wish you would quote things in real money and not the new metric nonsense. However that shouldnt detract from a thoroughly gd read probably the best piece covering all aspects of this decision. I would add just a couple of things first on payload I don’t expect us to ever max that number out it would be quite mad. On the comparison between b and c payload should the c version operate a max internal fuel it’s weapons payload would have to reduce to 7100kg as otherwise is would exceed its mtow.
    Perhaps most glossed over is the kpps on all these jets are end of life numbers so engine below optimal performance and some weight margin added jets damaged and LO signature measured to meet kpp and all so far remain gd.
    As the uk will not operate the 1000lb bomb but instead the 500lb paveway in multiple guises. It could carry 4 paveway 4 with 2 missiles and meet the vlbb would say thats on a par or better than what we do operationally today.

  42. Brian Black

    Hi, Mark. The F35B can carry three SDB inside each bay (four in A and C’s bays). Only 285lbs each, and over 60nm glide too, to claw back some of the B’s handicapped range. Perhaps that is something we should be looking at in the future.

  43. The Other Chris

    We’ll also be operating the F-35B routinely with external pylons, especially given the UK requirement to move additional ASRAAM’s from internal bay to pylons.

    This says to me that we’ll be operating patrols with external drop tanks too, which cuts the C model’s internal tank advantage to a much smaller percentage.

  44. Brian Black

    It’s not value for money, or through life costs, or military strategy that’s led the gov’t back to STOVL – it’s politics. Austerity sucks, and voters have been sending that message to politicians across Europe. We’ve recently had the election in Greece, state elections in Germany, presidential election in France, and the local elections over here – the results have all seen a general swing left, with a common theme that parties criticising the incumbent’s austerity measures have done well. The trend has spooked the gov’t. Nothing can trump the relief of ditching cats and flaps and immediately seeing the defence budget back in the black.

  45. Lord Jim

    To start with a great post and cause for some serious thinking. Whist I yearned for the return to “Proper” carrier aviation, beign a realist I knew it was nerever really an option. We were never going to be able to afford to have both CVFs operations in CATOBAR, and I doubt more than 12 F-35Cs would have been deployed frequently and no more than double that in a surge due to the training requiremetns to keep pilots carrier qualified.

    IF we end up with 2 STOVL CVFs and the ability to surge 1 with 36 F-35s on board together with ASW, AEW&C and AAR assets spread throughout the TF it will be the second most powerful TF aside form the USN. IF escorted by 2x T-45, 2x T-23/26 and 1-2 Astute even more so.

    However we DO need a viable carrier ARR asset to allow the F-35 to exploit its full capablity. Land based AAR can be utilised in most cases but having organic AAR provided more options. Unfortunately it does fall into the nice to have catagory. One thing the CVF will have is the Ski Jump allowing the F-35 to take off with greater payload than the USMC can. As pointed out the Storm Shadow raises issues but I should be carried unless intended to be used unlike the accpted bring back payload!

    UCAVs are going to be an issue though as the US is concentrating on platforms that can be launched from it’s CATOBAR carriers. Unless a platform is developed for the USMC to operate from it’s LHDs this will have to be a UK only or european colaboration and financial warning light are already going off in my head at the thought of this. We will probably left with using smaller UAVs in more limited roles, probably adapted from platforms already in service on land.

    One issue that Is in the back of my mind is how often we will actually use the CVF as a carrier. IF an option exists to base aircraft forward on land, surely this is going to be the preferred option unless the GOvernment is determined to fly the flag and use the CVFs because we have them and need to show all the money spent was worth it.

    Finally if we think things are bad, the Spanish Navy is having to lay up its only carrier along with frigates, patrol vessels and submarines to deal with financial issues. The future of the Carrier is in doubt and with history repeating itself, could end up being the last operator of the Harrier as they were with the AV-8A (Tailand doesn’t count), as it is unlikely they will be able to afford the F-35.

  46. Not a Boffin

    Land-basing is not always all it’s cracked up to be. You need physical security (Rock Apes), POL, munitions, GSE etc. All of which needs to be supplied to the base. And you need the five star hotels nearby (!!)

    The “riskier” your base (see Kandahar), the more assets you need to put in place to secure it and support it. And, as we’re going to see in Affghanistan, the more difficult it is to withdraw. Carriers solve all that – obviously provided that your area of ops is within sensible range of the sea.

    The definition of “sensible” range is a debate in itself, but it’s interesting to note that both the US and FR have supported Afghan CAS ops from the IO……

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