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		<title>By: Mack</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-108142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;@ Andy – thanks for that, very interesting. Do you know what role they played in the offensive camapaigns?&quot;

I have had to do some research at work about the regiment and its role in offensive campaigns, I have found this in the journal of the Royal Airforce historical socitey No.15 as it descirbes the Regiments role within the 2 Tactical Airforce. 

&quot;A highly successful operation involving three RAF Regiment task forces passed the Army forward positions and moved up into the Schleswig-Holstein, occupying airfields right up to the Danish boarder and in the islands.  In this operation the Regiment seized 15 airfields and received the surrender of over 50,000 troops, a large number of German Generals and Staff officers.  inevitably in the final stages of the campaign pockets of the enemy put up some exceptionally stiff resistance, a lot of severe actions took place and we suffered many casualties.&quot;

This is just one of many things i have found researching the regiments history i hope it helps.

Also cutting down the JCBRN Regiment was crazy, i just never knew it was that crazy by getting rid of the FUCHS.... what a bunch of mongs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@ Andy – thanks for that, very interesting. Do you know what role they played in the offensive camapaigns?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have had to do some research at work about the regiment and its role in offensive campaigns, I have found this in the journal of the Royal Airforce historical socitey No.15 as it descirbes the Regiments role within the 2 Tactical Airforce. </p>
<p>&#8220;A highly successful operation involving three RAF Regiment task forces passed the Army forward positions and moved up into the Schleswig-Holstein, occupying airfields right up to the Danish boarder and in the islands.  In this operation the Regiment seized 15 airfields and received the surrender of over 50,000 troops, a large number of German Generals and Staff officers.  inevitably in the final stages of the campaign pockets of the enemy put up some exceptionally stiff resistance, a lot of severe actions took place and we suffered many casualties.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just one of many things i have found researching the regiments history i hope it helps.</p>
<p>Also cutting down the JCBRN Regiment was crazy, i just never knew it was that crazy by getting rid of the FUCHS&#8230;. what a bunch of mongs.</p>
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		<title>By: Swimming Trunks</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-93350</link>
		<dc:creator>Swimming Trunks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Andy - thanks for that, very interesting. Do you know what role they played in the offensive camapaigns?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andy &#8211; thanks for that, very interesting. Do you know what role they played in the offensive camapaigns?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Quantick</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-93273</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Quantick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do the RAF Regiment refer to themselves as the Corps.

After the failure to hold Crete from the German invasion force, we lost a vital air hold due to lack of defence from the Army who were otherwise occupied in other campaigns. Winston Churchill was outraged of the loss of the RAF airfield there which was vital for operations, so after discussing the situation an idea was conceived that an Aerodrome Defence Corps should be formed for the protection of RAF airfields. So on the 1st February 1942, King George the 6th warranted that the Corps of the Royal Air Force Regiment be formed within the RAF. Thereafter all RAF airfields in theatre had squadrons of RAF Regiment defending them. The role of the Corps was not just defence, but was also used in offence in such campaigns as Normandy, Cassino and Burma.
So although the RAF Regiment is part of the RAF, it is a Corps and not a trade as all other RAF departments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do the RAF Regiment refer to themselves as the Corps.</p>
<p>After the failure to hold Crete from the German invasion force, we lost a vital air hold due to lack of defence from the Army who were otherwise occupied in other campaigns. Winston Churchill was outraged of the loss of the RAF airfield there which was vital for operations, so after discussing the situation an idea was conceived that an Aerodrome Defence Corps should be formed for the protection of RAF airfields. So on the 1st February 1942, King George the 6th warranted that the Corps of the Royal Air Force Regiment be formed within the RAF. Thereafter all RAF airfields in theatre had squadrons of RAF Regiment defending them. The role of the Corps was not just defence, but was also used in offence in such campaigns as Normandy, Cassino and Burma.<br />
So although the RAF Regiment is part of the RAF, it is a Corps and not a trade as all other RAF departments.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Lets kill off genuine capability that is pretty essential to save just less than £13 million a year.&lt;/i&gt;

Essential? Not sure about that, to be honest. You know what happened to the last British soldiers to be attacked with chemical weapons? They all died OF OLD AGE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lets kill off genuine capability that is pretty essential to save just less than £13 million a year.</i></p>
<p>Essential? Not sure about that, to be honest. You know what happened to the last British soldiers to be attacked with chemical weapons? They all died OF OLD AGE.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Black</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27539</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we are going to be sticking all our fast jets onto big ships in the future, rather than on airfields, perhaps the RAF Regt should take over fleet protection too.

It would give them something to do, and free up a few Marines for other tasks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to be sticking all our fast jets onto big ships in the future, rather than on airfields, perhaps the RAF Regt should take over fleet protection too.</p>
<p>It would give them something to do, and free up a few Marines for other tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I say things like that here I get accused of making comments whilst wearing a tin foil hat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say things like that here I get accused of making comments whilst wearing a tin foil hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple really, somebody somewhere said what role can we give the RAF Regt in order to NOT get rid of it - et voila....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple really, somebody somewhere said what role can we give the RAF Regt in order to NOT get rid of it &#8211; et voila&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Darley</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27536</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Darley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same vehicles they had before the Fuchs! NBC suited bod in Landrover or probably on foot!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same vehicles they had before the Fuchs! NBC suited bod in Landrover or probably on foot!!!</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27535</link>
		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am missing something. What vehicle will they have? 

Surely the important thing about the Fuchs is protection from the nasty NBC stuff more than protection from bullets etc. ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am missing something. What vehicle will they have? </p>
<p>Surely the important thing about the Fuchs is protection from the nasty NBC stuff more than protection from bullets etc. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Darley</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27534</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Darley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Fuchs were given to the UK as a contribution in lieu of German forces not actually taking part in GW1!!

Maybe they might have to give them back!

Failing that, expect to see them for a knock down price at Withams very shortly! There us no way these fcukwits will keep them just in case they may be needed in the future!

I dare not think what they will cut next!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Fuchs were given to the UK as a contribution in lieu of German forces not actually taking part in GW1!!</p>
<p>Maybe they might have to give them back!</p>
<p>Failing that, expect to see them for a knock down price at Withams very shortly! There us no way these fcukwits will keep them just in case they may be needed in the future!</p>
<p>I dare not think what they will cut next!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Black</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27533</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve not yet seen any comment on the possible impacts of the reduced capabilities from the army&#039;s top end. Be interesting to know what they make of it, and whether the army has willingly accepted the changes. It is also quite difficult to see at this stage just how serious a cut this is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not yet seen any comment on the possible impacts of the reduced capabilities from the army&#8217;s top end. Be interesting to know what they make of it, and whether the army has willingly accepted the changes. It is also quite difficult to see at this stage just how serious a cut this is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27532</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gabriele et al

Yes, if the plans do not include a CBRN variant of the FRES SV, then it is of the utmost importance that the Fuchs vehicles are placed in low humidity storage against an emergency.  Actually, that should still happen even if the the FRES SV plans do include a variant.  Such programmes are often cancelled, are they not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gabriele et al</p>
<p>Yes, if the plans do not include a CBRN variant of the FRES SV, then it is of the utmost importance that the Fuchs vehicles are placed in low humidity storage against an emergency.  Actually, that should still happen even if the the FRES SV plans do include a variant.  Such programmes are often cancelled, are they not?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriele</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2011/08/cbrn-role-to-transfer-to-raf-regiment/comment-page-1/#comment-27531</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think they are capable enough to fullfill the role, how is it absurd?&quot; 

Note that my shock is not due to the RAF Regiment getting the totality of the job, but is due to the CBRN regiment being left without its most capable component, the Fuchs, which is also that little bit of high-mobile armor protection they have. 

CBRN never really did get an hold in the UK, did it...? 
Most armies, from US to several major european armies, all but have a CBRN company in each brigade, after all, while the UK is all but cutting back on its only formation in the role. 

...

FRES SV CBRN variant, anyone...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think they are capable enough to fullfill the role, how is it absurd?&#8221; </p>
<p>Note that my shock is not due to the RAF Regiment getting the totality of the job, but is due to the CBRN regiment being left without its most capable component, the Fuchs, which is also that little bit of high-mobile armor protection they have. </p>
<p>CBRN never really did get an hold in the UK, did it&#8230;?<br />
Most armies, from US to several major european armies, all but have a CBRN company in each brigade, after all, while the UK is all but cutting back on its only formation in the role. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>FRES SV CBRN variant, anyone&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: BertramPantyshield</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertramPantyshield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the MRB is going to be of similar structure to FAS (Next Steps), then surely this decision was more motivated by the need for a 10th cavalry regiment? Or have I fallen for MoD fudge? They&#039;ve then thought &#039;We can save a few bob!&#039; and got rid of something fairly essential. Do they read their own &#039;reviews&#039;?

With the RAF Reg calling itself a corps, the Parachute Regiment was once called the Parachute Corps, perhaps it&#039;s all part of that &#039;big three&#039; nonsense...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the MRB is going to be of similar structure to FAS (Next Steps), then surely this decision was more motivated by the need for a 10th cavalry regiment? Or have I fallen for MoD fudge? They&#8217;ve then thought &#8216;We can save a few bob!&#8217; and got rid of something fairly essential. Do they read their own &#8216;reviews&#8217;?</p>
<p>With the RAF Reg calling itself a corps, the Parachute Regiment was once called the Parachute Corps, perhaps it&#8217;s all part of that &#8216;big three&#8217; nonsense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Mike

Back in the mists of time I think Churchill wanted to put them on a similar footing to the Royal Marines.

I used to the pull the leg of an ex-cadet of mine who joined the RE by constantly referring to it as a &quot;regiment.&quot; I would always get a very colourful reply conveying to me that the RE was a corps.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike</p>
<p>Back in the mists of time I think Churchill wanted to put them on a similar footing to the Royal Marines.</p>
<p>I used to the pull the leg of an ex-cadet of mine who joined the RE by constantly referring to it as a &#8220;regiment.&#8221; I would always get a very colourful reply conveying to me that the RE was a corps&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[x,

I&#039;m not sure and I&#039;m based with them in Honnington...I think it dates back to when the regiment was too small to be ccalled as such, however your far more to hear them call themselves &#039;the regiment&#039; or &#039;rock apes&#039;...but I prefer pebble monkies :P

Gabriele


I think they are capable enough to fullfill the role, how is it absurd? They are given enhanced training from normal infantry...all the difference is their cap badge and uniform colour.. 
Only &#039;benefit&#039; if there is any, is that at they are RAF, transporting them to areas would be more quicker...then again, I doubt thats the case. 

I think this should be a joint unit, not specialist within one arm of the forces...alas.

The withdrawl of the Fuchs, then I agree 100% - the threat from chemical weapons from terror organisations/indiduals is far greater than state sponsored/directed aggression to our country, its crazy, yet another capability cut, and I doubt a lot that the media will have anything to say about it :/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>x,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure and I&#8217;m based with them in Honnington&#8230;I think it dates back to when the regiment was too small to be ccalled as such, however your far more to hear them call themselves &#8216;the regiment&#8217; or &#8216;rock apes&#8217;&#8230;but I prefer pebble monkies <img src='http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gabriele</p>
<p>I think they are capable enough to fullfill the role, how is it absurd? They are given enhanced training from normal infantry&#8230;all the difference is their cap badge and uniform colour..<br />
Only &#8216;benefit&#8217; if there is any, is that at they are RAF, transporting them to areas would be more quicker&#8230;then again, I doubt thats the case. </p>
<p>I think this should be a joint unit, not specialist within one arm of the forces&#8230;alas.</p>
<p>The withdrawl of the Fuchs, then I agree 100% &#8211; the threat from chemical weapons from terror organisations/indiduals is far greater than state sponsored/directed aggression to our country, its crazy, yet another capability cut, and I doubt a lot that the media will have anything to say about it :/</p>
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		<title>By: Think Defence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Defence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UK based response to CBRN terrorism is delivered by the Met Police and Fire and Rescue services but I would imagine the Joint regiment would provide specialist resource]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK based response to CBRN terrorism is delivered by the Met Police and Fire and Rescue services but I would imagine the Joint regiment would provide specialist resource</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the decision to withdraw the Fuchs capability quite astounding.

TD mentions the question of how much the Red Arrows and Kings Troop Royal Artillery cost per year.  I disagreed with him previously about the importance of ceremonial and pageantry, arguing that it was important symbolism and an essential part of the nation’s tradition.   However, I am now coming round very much to his point of view, especially in the light of this decision.  And it won’t be the last!

Gabby has chosen ‘le mot juste’ to describe the decision.  It is ‘absurd’!  Madness!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the decision to withdraw the Fuchs capability quite astounding.</p>
<p>TD mentions the question of how much the Red Arrows and Kings Troop Royal Artillery cost per year.  I disagreed with him previously about the importance of ceremonial and pageantry, arguing that it was important symbolism and an essential part of the nation’s tradition.   However, I am now coming round very much to his point of view, especially in the light of this decision.  And it won’t be the last!</p>
<p>Gabby has chosen ‘le mot juste’ to describe the decision.  It is ‘absurd’!  Madness!</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
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		<dc:creator>x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do members of the RAF Reg refer to themselves as &quot;the Corps&quot; ?]]></description>
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		<title>By: Gabriele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had read rumors of this one month ago or so... 

And my reaction had honestly been &quot;No way, you gotta be kidding...!&quot; 

...

Folly. 
How does this fit in the Terrorism being Tier 1 threat and all that - now it really is official - JUNK? 
This is just completely, royally ABSURD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had read rumors of this one month ago or so&#8230; </p>
<p>And my reaction had honestly been &#8220;No way, you gotta be kidding&#8230;!&#8221; </p>
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<p>Folly.<br />
How does this fit in the Terrorism being Tier 1 threat and all that &#8211; now it really is official &#8211; JUNK?<br />
This is just completely, royally ABSURD.</p>
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