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		<title>By: Euan Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euan Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of the points made in the comments, Afghanistan is a mess and will remain so in my opinion no matter what we do. I think we should withdraw as we never had the equipment or the will to carry out what needs to be done and many people have tried and failed in the past. Without trying to get too political the reasons for going there are and now for staying are at best lies and at the worst intentional deceit a bit of knowledge of current events and history will show you why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the points made in the comments, Afghanistan is a mess and will remain so in my opinion no matter what we do. I think we should withdraw as we never had the equipment or the will to carry out what needs to be done and many people have tried and failed in the past. Without trying to get too political the reasons for going there are and now for staying are at best lies and at the worst intentional deceit a bit of knowledge of current events and history will show you why.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure, but the Afghan army air corps probably has more Mi 8 / 17 and Mi 24&#039;s than we have Merlins !

Donated by ex-Soviet bloc, eastern european nations or bought and paid for by U.S., really not sure of the numbers yet, but lets face it no amount of helo&#039;s is &#039;strategically&#039; going to fix 300 years of inter-tribal warfare ! But tactically they would help the boys on the ground right now (and we could have hired civvy contracted Mi 17&#039;s years ago, like the Canadian&#039;s do now .....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure, but the Afghan army air corps probably has more Mi 8 / 17 and Mi 24&#8242;s than we have Merlins !</p>
<p>Donated by ex-Soviet bloc, eastern european nations or bought and paid for by U.S., really not sure of the numbers yet, but lets face it no amount of helo&#8217;s is &#8216;strategically&#8217; going to fix 300 years of inter-tribal warfare ! But tactically they would help the boys on the ground right now (and we could have hired civvy contracted Mi 17&#8242;s years ago, like the Canadian&#8217;s do now &#8230;..)</p>
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		<title>By: DominicJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Afghanistan, helicopters are tacticaly useful, however having more chinooks than soldiers wont change the strategic picture even a little bit.

Our aim, today, is to advance the Afghan forces enough for them to beat the Taliban.
The Afghans have road bound trucks, without a secure road network, they&#039;re completely ineffective.

Being able to drop large numbers of troops anywhere at short notice is useful for killing Taliban, but to &quot;win&quot; the war we need the ANA and they need the roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Afghanistan, helicopters are tacticaly useful, however having more chinooks than soldiers wont change the strategic picture even a little bit.</p>
<p>Our aim, today, is to advance the Afghan forces enough for them to beat the Taliban.<br />
The Afghans have road bound trucks, without a secure road network, they&#8217;re completely ineffective.</p>
<p>Being able to drop large numbers of troops anywhere at short notice is useful for killing Taliban, but to &#8220;win&#8221; the war we need the ANA and they need the roads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2009/11/helicopters-again/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counter-insurgency in rough terrain - you can never, ever have enough helo&#039;s. 

The U.S. has always had the helo ambulance role well funded since Korea (think M.A.S.H.) and consider their Vietnam experience. Plus U.S.A.F. has had well funded Combat Search and Rescue capabilities. Google for Micheal Yon and look for his article on the &quot;Pedro&#039;s&quot; - the Para-Rescue Jumpers who man the HH60&#039;s. It&#039;s all about the &quot;golden hour&quot; !

Is it all Gordon&#039;s fault ? Not entirely. The Generals seem to have been at least a little complicit in the &quot;we have enough helo&#039;s&quot; debate, and uninformed and generally crass mass media coverage does not help anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counter-insurgency in rough terrain &#8211; you can never, ever have enough helo&#8217;s. </p>
<p>The U.S. has always had the helo ambulance role well funded since Korea (think M.A.S.H.) and consider their Vietnam experience. Plus U.S.A.F. has had well funded Combat Search and Rescue capabilities. Google for Micheal Yon and look for his article on the &#8220;Pedro&#8217;s&#8221; &#8211; the Para-Rescue Jumpers who man the HH60&#8242;s. It&#8217;s all about the &#8220;golden hour&#8221; !</p>
<p>Is it all Gordon&#8217;s fault ? Not entirely. The Generals seem to have been at least a little complicit in the &#8220;we have enough helo&#8217;s&#8221; debate, and uninformed and generally crass mass media coverage does not help anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Euan Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2009/11/helicopters-again/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Euan Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that sticks out in my mind is the fact that the US have dedicated HH-60G&#039;s specifically to go and save lifes always on standby. For instance when the 5 British troops were killed by a rouge policeman and the BBC showed some footage of the chinook arriving i don&#039;t suppose anyone else caught the HH-60&#039;s coming in at the same time?

In a wider sense more helicopters would save many more lives, the large combat logistics patrols would be less frequent and less urgent if supplies could be moved by air. Furthermore more helicopter assaults could take place arriving in large numbers anywhere allied forces please rather than giving notice and time to organise to fight the allied forces.

I personally would much rather we set a time table to withdraw like every other nation has, not doing so is just plain stupid in my mind. Ideally i would like to see us out of Afghanistan as i&#039;ve said in recent posts by the end of 2012, this would mean the end of 11 years of War which i think is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that sticks out in my mind is the fact that the US have dedicated HH-60G&#8217;s specifically to go and save lifes always on standby. For instance when the 5 British troops were killed by a rouge policeman and the BBC showed some footage of the chinook arriving i don&#8217;t suppose anyone else caught the HH-60&#8242;s coming in at the same time?</p>
<p>In a wider sense more helicopters would save many more lives, the large combat logistics patrols would be less frequent and less urgent if supplies could be moved by air. Furthermore more helicopter assaults could take place arriving in large numbers anywhere allied forces please rather than giving notice and time to organise to fight the allied forces.</p>
<p>I personally would much rather we set a time table to withdraw like every other nation has, not doing so is just plain stupid in my mind. Ideally i would like to see us out of Afghanistan as i&#8217;ve said in recent posts by the end of 2012, this would mean the end of 11 years of War which i think is enough.</p>
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